Dec. 17, 2024

Pete Dominick: A Career Built on Comedy, Connection, and Curiosity

Pete Dominick: A Career Built on Comedy, Connection, and Curiosity

What does it take to break through as a comedian and then pivot into a provocative voice in media and politics? Pete Dominick, stand-up comedian, SiriusXM veteran, and host of the podcast Stand Up, joins No Wrong Choices to share his inspiring career journey.

Pete opens up about:

  • How he broke into New York's competitive comedy scene and thrived as a club emcee.
  • Landing high-profile gigs like warming up audiences for The Daily Show and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.
  • Why 9/11 and fatherhood shifted his focus from comedy to creating thoughtful conversations in political media—leading to appearances on shows like Real Time with Bill Maher. 
  • Building resilience after losing his dream job at SiriusXM and reinventing himself as an independent creator.

From backstage stories to life lessons on persistence, adaptability, and finding purpose, Pete’s journey offers valuable insights for anyone navigating their career.

Key Highlights:

  • Turning early challenges into opportunities in comedy.
  • The grit required to succeed as a performer in NYC.
  • Pivoting from comedy to thought-provoking, impactful conversations in media.
  • How setbacks can lead to unexpected growth and community-building.

This episode is packed with wisdom, humor, and actionable takeaways to inspire your own career journey.


To discover more episodes or connect with us:


Chapters

00:03 - Comedian's Career Journey and Pivot

11:46 - Comedian's Evolution and Success

20:05 - Comedy Career Challenges and Triumphs

29:23 - TV Show Warm-Up and Media Career

37:20 - Transition to Impactful Talk Show

50:35 - Transition to Self-Employment and Fulfillment

01:02:33 - Balancing Work and Masculinity

01:07:49 - Measuring Strength and Career Advice

01:18:51 - Daily Podcast Promotion and Heroic Story

Transcript
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What does it take to break through as a comedian and then pivot into a provocative voice in media and politics?

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We'll explore the answer to that question, and beyond, during this episode of the Career Journey podcast no Wrong Choices.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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I'm Larry Samuel, soon to be joined by my collaborators Larry Shea and Tushar Saxena, but before we kick off, I have a request.

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If you enjoy what you're about to hear, please be sure to like and follow our show on your favorite podcast platform and to connect with us on social media.

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Your support enables us to keep bringing these great journey stories to life.

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Now let's get started.

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This episode features the podcaster, comedian speaker and news commentator, pete Dominick, who, among many other things, is the host and creator of the podcast Stand Up.

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Larry Shea is a former colleague of Pete's at SiriusXM.

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You are certainly the right person to set up this conversation this time around, so please lead us in.

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Yeah, that's exactly right.

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I got to know Pete over at Sirius XM.

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He had a great show over there.

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I used to listen to it.

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It was great, it was funny, it was interesting, it was smart, and that's kind of what I always thought about Pete too.

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You know I always used to enjoy bumping into him.

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We'd always have great conversations.

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I knew he was very talented and very good at what he does, but honestly, I don't know his whole story.

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So I'm excited to explore his journey and kind of hear it for the first time, like the rest of us, right.

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So I'm really excited to share Pete Dominick with everybody, because this is a guy you probably have seen on your TV, you know, on Bill Maher or on, you know, cnn or one of these other places.

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You know he's.

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He's a funny talking head and a really cool dude and a smart guy.

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So here we go uh, I'm kind of like you, shay, is that?

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Uh, you know we are both former, uh we I am a former serious employee, unlike yourself.

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You're still there, um but I ran into pete uh basically near the tail end of when I was at serious.

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But I remember pete being a worker, that's what I really remember.

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He was a hard worker and he was there like in the in the real heyday, uh, the first few years of the of the comedy channels, and he was setting things up and getting and, you know, putting shows together.

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But when you get, one thing you could always tell about Pete was that he was a hard worker.

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He understood how, what it took to put a good show together and he really kind of was able to couple that into what he's doing today.

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And you know he's he's always been one of these couple that into what he's doing today and you know he's he's always been one of these guys that I've kind of admired from afar, because I've never really can know, I've really never really had a chance to get to know him all that well.

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But I'll tell you what now we got a chance to know him a little bit better.

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Absolutely.

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And you know, I love your comment about learning how to put shows together, because he's put together a very good one called Stand Up.

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So with that, that, here is Pete Dominick, Pete, thank you so much for joining us

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gentlemen, a real honor to be here.

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I really, I really mean that I'm very much been looking forward to this and I'm excited to talk to all of you and larry and I go back and, uh, always had a thing, just like a.

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You're one of the good ones, yeah okay, great hallway conversations is what we're that's basically how we put it too.

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Yeah, he's one of the good ones, yeah sure there's a general.

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You know there's a when you work in and when you're in a workplace and you don't necessarily work directly with someone the way larry and I didn't know, you know we didn't work directly with each other but we we, you, you have a feeling for people and you build a certain kind of trust and that's important.

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You need that at work and you know, I think, think Larry and I always had kind of a.

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You know we're on the same level, on the same plane, and had a Definitely.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how to explain it.

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I think Larry knows, and that's all that's matter.

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It's symbiotic relationship, no doubt yeah.

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And we certainly feel similarly, which is why 20 years later, we're all doing a podcast together, so you have very good instincts, love it.

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So, leading in, we always like to ask our guests to introduce themselves.

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I can run through an opening and I can put together a list of things to describe you, but nobody can describe you better than you.

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So, pete, try to just give us a feel for who you are and what you do.

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Well, I grew up in upstate New york.

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In the 80s 90s.

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When I was 14 years old, my dad said to me son, just whatever you do for work, whatever you do, just just find something that you enjoy, because you know I uh, I make good money on my own boss, but this this is selling insurance is not something I love.

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I want you and your brother to do something that you really like.

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And I was like, like, all right, well, the only thing I really like doing and the only thing I feel like I'm any good at is making people laugh, because I was a class clown, never missed a day of school because it was an audience and I was good.

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Even the teachers liked me.

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And I said, well, can I do comedy for like a living?

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He's like, yeah sure.

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He's like, yeah, sure.

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And then he immediately supported that dream.

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He brought me to the Civic Center to see George Carlin.

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Wow, he brought me to a local comedy to meet a comedian who one day I later became friends with.

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And from that point on I was 14 years old.

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I decided I wanted to be a stand-up comedian and I went to college for two years, left college, moved to New York City, started pursuing my career in stand-up.

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It, it's it.

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It's hard, it was slow like it is for pretty much everybody but john mulaney and son of a bitch rich georgetown and was amazing right away.

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I hate people like that and can't knock him, but I made it.

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I made it.

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I made it as this comedian in the hardest place to make it in New York City.

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I was working at every comedy club.

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I was passed at every comedy club.

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Everybody knew me.

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I knew everybody and I got hired at Sirius on the comedy channels as a result of kind of my network and my ability to host a show.

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I was, I was an emcee and that's what I got known for.

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I should say I wasn't some prolific writer, you know, a Jim Gaffigan or a Todd Berry or any number of these amazing, hilarious comedians, ted Alexandro, but I I was a good MC.

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It was good in the moment I got work as I got hired as a audience warmup comedian for by Jon Stewart at the daily show and then I got the job at the coldbert Report when that show started and then I got now I'm still doing that gig at Last Week Tonight with Jon Oliver on HBO and between that and Sirius I was making great money, loving what I was doing and it just blew up from there.

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Because that's when I found out and after about two years, on the comedy channels at SiriusXM I heard they were launching an independent political channel and I was like that's where I want to be.

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I want to host a show on that, like some free thinking, independent, nonpartisan.

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Just let's talk to smart people and have smart conversations, right, and you know they're looking for the left's.

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Joe Rogan now it's me.

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It was me then, it's me been.

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It's been me then since he was a guest on my show.

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I've been a guest on his show, but the bottom line is, you know, joe show is having thoughtful conversations with smart people.

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It's now entered into the absurd, in my opinion, a lot of conspiracy theories, but it wasn't always that way and so I did that.

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But my idea was that and serious, I basically auditioned, I pitched a show and they hired me from one hour every day hosting a live show getting paid $75 a day.

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I remember those days.

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I have memories of those days myself, cause I was.

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It was a daily gig on live radio, uh, on satellite radio, and I got to interview every comedian.

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I already knew most guys, at least if they were New Yorkers I knew, knew them all but I didn't know a lot of the guys that were touring, or a lot of the LA guys or or even the British international comics.

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I got to meet everybody.

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I get to interview every single comedian, not because of me, because of the platform, right, like I was the host, like the local radio host gets to meet everybody.

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So I was in the building and I'm a really persistent, determined guy.

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I went up and I pitched the show and I went from $75 a day to $60,000 a year, full salary benefits, 60,000 was an insult.

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I knew what guys doing three hours of radio got right.

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It was 300, not 60.

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But for me, a comedian who now had one child I mean health care was dealing in a matter of 401k when do sign, and that just turned into CNN and it turned into, you know, I was there for 12 years and it was.

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I fulfilled all my dreams by the age of 42.

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Everything I ever wanted to do.

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I did it all in comedy and in political media, and that's, that's my intro, that's awesome and, of course, our paths crossed at Sirius.

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That's when we would have our amazing hallway conversations and admiration from afar, so to speak.

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So let's start digging into exactly how you built this.

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We're going to start from the beginning.

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You already said you grew up in Syracuse and you were the class clown.

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I mean, I always ask comedians that right Like were you always confident in the class clown and I read that you also, like read the morning announcements on the loudspeaker and things of that nature.

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Right MC talent shows.

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We used to make up in the morning announcements.

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We would make up things that were happening after school.

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Today, after school at 3.30, there's a basket weaving club.

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That's when I learned the power of the microphone.

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But yeah, I was involved in everything in high school and everything and I played varsity lacrosse and soccer.

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I'd go from lacrosse practice where I didn't play.

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I didn't get off the bench and work that out in therapy years later.

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I would go from the cross practice to play rehearsal and morning announcements.

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And yeah, my first comedy I ever did was at the talent show.

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I was like, well, I want to be in the talent show because I want to be in front of an audience and I didn't have like a stand up routine but I did my impression of Dana Carvey's impressions of George W Bush, ross Perot and Bill Clinton and I killed and that was that.

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Because you know, it was a small high school, small town, 500 kids in total, high school, but every one of them was in the theater laughing at me and that was all it took.

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Still could not get laid, but that's it.

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I was so little.

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I was so little.

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The girl loved me.

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I was good friends with girls, I was the safe one, um, but they dated all my friends and that's because the reason I was a comedian and the reason I didn't end up, I think, getting you know girls.

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It wasn't, I was tiny.

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I was a littlest guy in high school.

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Even when my I was a senior, I was one of the smallest kids and that was why I used and found humor.

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It's the reason my dad did too.

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My dad is hilarious and I realized that when I was very young I was like five or six years old.

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I realized that I could.

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When kids made fun of me for being small, I could come back with a quick-witted comment If it was good enough they wouldn't make fun of me again.

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Sometimes they'd punch me, so I got hit a few times, but more likely the big kid became my friend and I became that cartoon puppy you know, like the little puppy next to the giant pup.

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They wanted a mouthpiece, probably Right, yep.

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So you said your father took you to see Carlin when you were young, so who were some of your comedy heroes or influences?

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Well, certainly Carlin.

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Carlin was like what you know.

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I went to Catholic church growing up but my dad clearly never believed that my mom wasn't Catholic, but kind of did it because they were Italian and for my grandmother, kind of thing.

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But I found George Carlin like audio tapes, like in my dad's dresser near the Playboys.

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I found George Carlin like audio tapes, like in my dad's dresser near the Playboys, and I listened to them like they were like I was looking at Playboys, Like it was forbidden, you know, and what he was saying about religion was like yeah, of course, of course.

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Like thank you for voicing what I always thought growing up in this church.

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And that was the beginning of it.

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But you know, I I loved so many other kinds of comedians in different styles and Dana Carvey and Robin Williams were huge influences on me, because Robin could make something out of nothing any moment.

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And Dana, I loved his impressions and that was something I was was pretty good at.

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I was good at doing his impressions.

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Yeah, I was the best impressionist in my high school.

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I wasn't the funniest kid.

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A lot of my friends were funnier than I was, that's for sure, but that's who I chose to hang out with the funniest kids.

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You know you gravitate towards people with humor and or similar humor or new humor.

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That's when I went to college I hung out with all black guys because black humor was something I was completely unfamiliar with and it was amazing, amazing what happened there with them, that culturally it was just like you either live or die and I wanted to live and they taught me so much.

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So I think, more than anything else, like that experience in high school with my friends my brother is hilarious and people that you've never heard of.

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That really impressed upon me different kinds of humor like I learned all of them by the time I was, you know, in my early 20s.

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I could see anybody's humor coming, all the styles, and I could sell it too, which made me marketable as a comedian.

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Put me in front of any audience black people, old people, young people, college kids, put me anywhere anytime, did you?

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collect comedy albums like you would rock and roll album, because I mean, when I was growing up obviously I have a whole bunch of music albums, but I also had like a good collection, like I had Eddie Murphy, raw, I had Robin Williams, I had so, to be fair, there's nothing nerdy about me, like there's nothing Like I never collected like music albums or comedy albums or sports things.

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Like I am not, I was never that guy.

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I can't quote things, like I didn't study them for hours or listen for hours.

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I just uh, it was a butterfly and I just whatever was new, whatever people would put in front of me I was a little lazy and trying to to find new things.

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I just kind of was like, whatever my brother served me up, I kind of ate up.

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I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that, like I said, yes, a lot of most people are connoisseurs of any genre of art.

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Yeah, they do that.

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That's what I'm asking.

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They own all the album and and they study them and they think about them and I just I don't know.

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I think I couldn't stay focused long enough or something, or didn't have an appreciation enough for it.

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Music is my cultural blind spot, like I can talk about all the arts and almost any other issue, but I'll never engage with someone about music.

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I'll listen to them, but I have nothing to offer you, Nothing.

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It can make you dumber.

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When did you start to play out?

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You're doing your high schools, you're doing your talent shows, et cetera, et cetera.

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But eventually you took that leap and came up with the courage and the balls to go for it.

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Tell us about that first experience.

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I think the courage and the balls was to move to New York City and to go.

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I'm going to just walk into a comedy club and become a comedian, because I did the talent shows in high school and then I did talent shows in college, like two or three, and I did like an open mic in college as well.

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So maybe I was on maybe six times on stage doing kind of stand-up, uh.

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And then I moved to new york city to go to acting school.

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Ostensibly I never really wanted to be an actor, but I was like I should get in it, I should continue my education, um, and that was stupid.

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I don't think people should study acting or not they shouldn't pay money for it, and so I went, I walked into a comedy club, I walked into stand-up New York on July 5th 1995.

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And how did that?

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Wow, yeah, like what, what was?

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that?

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What did you prepare?

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Nerves, anxiety, anything, oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I'm going to do it again and again and again.

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I wanted it more than I know anybody wants anything.

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You know you hear these biopics usually of athletes because those are easy to kind of narrate, because you just see this kid out running every day out shooting every day baskets or whatever it is.

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But but I I didn't drink, I didn't really chase girls.

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I mean I did, I just wasn't really I didn't do well.

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So I just was like friends with people.

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I loved everybody.

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It just wasn't a primary pursuit of mine, as it was most of my young male friends.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But I mean I didn't have a drink till I was 22.

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My brother was in rehab and I was like 14.

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So that like was really impressed upon me.

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But I didn't drink because I thought anything and any distraction women and drinking and drugs would take away from my laser focus on being successful as a comedian.

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And it was my understanding that the only way to be successful as a comedian, at least for me, was to work really hard.

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I always work really hard to be good at anything and practice and do it again and again.

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And when you start out in in comedy, still, but especially then the only way to get on stage was to bring your friends to see you and then they put you on stage.

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They made money and it's a really insidious practice, nothing you can really do about it.

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But it means you have to keep getting new people to come see you, and I mean you literally.

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Your friends stop returning your messages because they don't want to see you Like I saw you.

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It's expensive.

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I supported you.

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I came to your show.

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I came twice.

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You did the same exact material.

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Not only am I not coming again, I'm not taking your calls anymore, because I'm afraid of your show and I don't want to.

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I don't want to.

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I like you, but I don't want to do that anymore.

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No offense, why don't you come to my show?

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Well, because you don't have a show.

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Yeah, but uh, the I.

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I outsmarted that process by getting a job at the front desk of a gym, a high-end gym in the Upper West side of New York, equinox it's first started and what I did was I made new friends every day and I made people laugh at the front desk and when I got comfortable with them after the third or fourth time, talking to them, I'd say come see a show.

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So I would.

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I basically had this whole like farm team of audience members that liked me so much and they were wealthy because they lived in that neighborhood aid for the per I.

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So I just kept bringing, generating money and audience for that one comedy club and I did it as well at other comedy clubs that did all those bringer shows.

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But then you know, at a certain point you get good and I got so good that they just put me on, especially in that MC role, like nobody could open a show and get the audience comfortable and happy and then bring it back if need be or just know to bring the next person up.

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And that became what I was known for in the in the late 90s and early aughts in 2001, september 2001, just before 9-11.

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And early aughts in 2001, september 2001, just before 9-11.

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I got this great gig where, because of giuliani at the time, the mayor's new law to crack down on porn and strip clubs, you had to take your strip club in this case and make like 60 of it had to be any other business and only 40 of it of the physical space could be the strip club.

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So they literally strip clubs were perfect for to do comedy on the stage.

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The seating, the thrust stage is great for comedy.

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Yeah, and it's a little high, but still it was fine.

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So they literally guys built a curtain down the middle of the strip club and made it a comedy club, hired me to be the house mc, paid me because they had money, because the strip club had tons of money.

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More, they paid me like 200 bucks a show.

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Reels paid 75 or 100 and I got I got that gig.

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I was the gonna be the house mc for this new comedy club.

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200 bucks the show, three, four shows a week, maybe more.

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Wow, because they could, they just had to.

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And then terrorists attacked 9-11, uh, new y City and comedy broke down for a while.

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But we bounced back and I did get that job eventually and then it was just for me.

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It just kept getting better.

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I got a college agent.

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I made really good money touring the country.

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I performed at almost every state in the country and over 400 colleges and universities at almost every state in the country and over 400 colleges and universities and never assaulted one student.

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Right yeah.

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And you just talked about that laser focus.

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You know you could really tell.

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Before we get into your incredible successes, though, I have to ask I mean, what is it like to stand on that stage and know that you're bombing, like just no trap door, no way out?

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What does that feel like?

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What do you do?

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How do you experience that?

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Because every great, great comedian who's going to listen to this podcast and want to follow in your, in your shoes, they're going to bomb and they have to live with it, right?

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there's bombing and there's bombing in front of a black audience, so let's just separate.

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And I bombed in front of a black audience at Buffalo state university in front of my then girlfriend who I was in love with.

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We just started dating as one of the like the third show she ever saw me do is all these like young black kids from New York city and I had nothing.

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Nothing for them, even though I spent a lot of time around black guy Like I had like the first three minutes.

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But once one of them heckled me, it threw me and I just ate it.

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So bad that I punched a hole in the wall backstage, like and it was just so embarrassing because it was in front of that.

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So that was the worst bomb in my life.

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I remember another bomb.

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I don't remember it, I bought that out but I do remember like I was waiting for the C train and I was like let me just jump in front of this train and get out.

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I mean I felt like I was like it's just, it's the easiest way, um, but mostly I didn't bomb because because I was so quick on my feet that I was able to get out of any situation, go into the audience.

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Go into the moment, be real about the moment.

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So I was just, I would always survive.

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I'd always find a way to survive.

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But I don't want to act as if I didn't bomb and I mentioned the two worst.

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But generally speaking, I didn't.

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Because and I don't because I know what to do in the moment, I can abandon all preparation.

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I'm always got 90 minutes or not 90, but an hour, half an hour prepared.

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Yeah.

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And at this point I've been doing it so long.

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I've got a joke for every single situation, but I really do prefer the real moments and the crowd work.

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That was always my bread and butter and I love it.

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Do you remember the first time you killed and really felt like you were breaking through and taking the next step?

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First time I ever walked on stage, that high school I was going to say outside of high school and yeah, I mean I don't know the first time.

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Uh, it became a thing for me.

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I did really, really well for a long time in small rooms filled with people.

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Forget about it.

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They were on fire.

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I set them on fire.

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I was and anybody knows me then and I know all the people who did it to lisa lampadelli and jessica curson and uh strats small and like there was so many crowd pleasers I was a crowd pleaser man.

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I would light them up.

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I just wanted people to have a good time and so that was like when you say, do I remember the first time, I would say yeah, 1999 to 2010.

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I killed.

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Wow there you go.

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Would you do you prefer working a small, more intimate room, or do you like a larger venue?

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No, I prefer a small room.

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For sure, Even comedians who sell out arenas generally still love to be in the small rooms because of the intimacy of it all and the way that comics Chappelle keeps talking about that a lot, how he enjoys working in small rooms.

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Chappelle was always at the clubs when I was coming up.

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Every comic knows him because he would come in all the time, because he loved being in the small rooms, because he would just come in all the time, because he loved being in small rooms.

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The biggest audience I ever performed in front of was 6,000 people at Universal Amphitheater in Los Angeles.

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Opening for Artie.

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Lang Opened for him for years and it's my greatest story too, I think, in comedy, probably my greatest onstage triumph at least.

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Because when you opened for Artie, I was warned and I had opened for him I don't know 10 times before then, but the audience was Howard Stern audiences.

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They were, they were monsters.

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Sure, they were the worst of us, at least in terms of like.

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They wanted to make fun of you Like they were there.

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So I was told like you can, no one can open for Artie successfully, cause if you, when you, because when you walk out, they start booing you.

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That's the bit.

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That's the bit.

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Imagine walking to the microphone you're already getting booed.

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The first time I ever opened for him, that's exactly what happened.

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But I attacked people in the crowd like viscerally, worse than than they could, and just one after another, and then I eventually won him over.

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But I was there, uh, in la, 6 000 people and arty was always generous with everybody you know he gave a lot and he let this band open for him and they would have been great if they played one song, but they played like five songs and they were pretty hard like core and it just wasn't.

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It wore the audience down.

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It was too long, it was too hard for 30 minutes and the audience was like booing them to get off and they wait.

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They stayed way too long and now it's and now you hear the you know the announcer 7 000 people in an arena.

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Ladies and gentlemen, your host this evening, pete dominic.

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That was my worst already so mad about all that, that band, that they just took it out of me.

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Who is this guy?

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Nobody knew, of course, oh my god.

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And even ryan felipe booed me and he was backstage hanging out with us he seems like a really nice guy too I'm joking, he was, I just.

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But that night there were so many celebrities backstage, it was hilarious.

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And so they're booing at, booing me.

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And I had no plan.

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But my career is such that my brain thinks very quick, I just, I get out of a situation like it's about to that little boy, get out of this, find your way out.

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And then something pops in and what I said, I go, I'll make a deal with everybody booing me.

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You give me me one joke, one moment.

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If it works, I stay, if it doesn't, I'll leave and bring on Artie Lang, even though there's like four other openers still waiting.

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And the joke was and I knew the audience, you know, and I go.

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Let me just tell you it's crazy.

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Here right now we're in LA, backstage is the Artie Lang show in backstage crazy here right now we're in LA backstage, it's the Ari Lang show in backstage.

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It's all celebrities, tons of celebrities, packed in this little room.

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I'm saying to the audience and I go.

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And I was so packed, I like bumped into this guy really hard and I turned around and guess who it was.

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Now I have the audience listening because they want to know who this celebrity is.

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I go.

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It was Ron Jeremyeremy, famous porn star, and they're laughing, starting to laugh and I go.

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I didn't know what to say to him.

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It's ron jeremy, so I just blew him.

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Not a joke, I would do like in my act, like I met ron jeremy, didn't know what to do, blew him.

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But it was like I knew the howard stern audience would love that lowbrow, you know homoerotic joke kind of thing.

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And I got him and already and I and I won him over and I did another you know five minutes and introduce and I turned around an audience of miserable people and made them happy and already went on Howard and he goes.

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I just got to tell you a story.

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Shout out to.

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Pete Dominick did the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen in comedy, Took an audience of 7,000 people booing him and he turned around in one joke.

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It was like nothing I've ever seen and thank you, because those people were pissed and by the time I got out there everybody was happy.

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That's fantastic Love it.

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Let's back up a touch.

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How'd you get the agent?

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How did you get the agent to do the college?

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it's a good story because I I asked another comedian if he would make the recommendation and he did.

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And you know, comedians don't do that.

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You don't do that.

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They're very competitive.

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Uh, they don't go quite that far.

00:27:02.446 --> 00:27:03.269
I shouldn't say they don't do it.

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There's a lot of guys that do, but I just his name is Steve Byrne and he's still a friend and he's always a good guy.

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He did not compete with you or he was very confident in his abilities and his who he was, I think, and so he recommended, uh the agent and she signed me and you know, I literally was in his recommendation, put me in direct competition with him to go after the same pie, and he never thought twice of it and years later he's such a good guy.

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Years later, uh, the night my daughter was born so that would be january 21st 2005 it was a blizzard and we're and I, uh my daughter's born at 7, 30, but you know, I wasn't making great money.

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I, I, uh, so I, I, yet, and I wasn't even that serious yet, and so I was doing sets that night.

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The night my daughter was born, I had to go out and get the 75, 50, 50 bucks, whatever it was.

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So I go out and I do a set and I see Steve Byrne and he knows my then girlfriend and he says how's Val doing?

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I go, we had I just became a dad.

00:28:07.622 --> 00:28:08.444
He goes what?

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Tonight, you know, my daughter was born.

00:28:11.076 --> 00:28:11.678
He's like what.

00:28:12.398 --> 00:28:19.066
So we walk out of the comedy club and he walks into a deli and he says wait for me out here, wait for me one second.

00:28:19.066 --> 00:28:22.250
I just got to run and get some gum and he came out with a bouquet of flowers.

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He said you're going back to the hospital, bring these to Val.

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He's just the kind of guy, that role model, and I've always tried to be that guy.

00:28:30.147 --> 00:28:37.344
I take those types of behaviors, I steal them, I eat them right up and replicate them and I think that's what we're supposed to do and I've tried to do that.

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I never had the opportunity to, you know, buy flowers for somebody who just had a baby, I suppose.

00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:50.058
But you know, in terms of not competing that serious, I prided myself on bringing people in and platforming them and I gave, I started a lot of people D that and I think that's.

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You know, we should all be doing that for each other all the time as humans.

00:29:02.484 --> 00:29:03.026
Absolutely.

00:29:03.026 --> 00:29:08.511
I actually just saw you with Laura Coates last night, I believe, which was a really great hit.

00:29:08.711 --> 00:29:11.480
I'm going to be back on there tonight with her, yeah.

00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:12.161
Oh, will you really?

00:29:12.161 --> 00:29:14.386
Yeah, it was great, thanks.

00:29:14.386 --> 00:29:21.068
So talk to us a little bit about John Oliver and getting into that world with Oliver and Colbert.

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How did you break into that and tell us about that experience?

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Well, the audience warm up job is really hard.

00:29:28.729 --> 00:29:38.598
It's a hard thing to do and it's coveted because it's amazing money and you can stay in New York City and not go on the road and every comedian doesn't.

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It gets to a point where they, if they could just work the comedy clubs in new york they would and just go out at you know once a month or something, but but, uh, it's, you really can't pay your rent, much less make enough money, and but if you get one of those warm-up jobs right, they pay a lot.

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Uh, and I knew I was good at it.

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And somebody who worked on a TV show was like there's this new show doing a pilot and you should, I'm going to.

00:30:04.386 --> 00:30:06.623
I was already a pretty successful comic that you should go.

00:30:06.623 --> 00:30:09.423
I didn't need any experience is what I'm trying to say.

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And they, the show was called craft corner death match and they bought 25 episodes and so I did 25 episodes where the audience was paid audience or like homeless people, and I had to go up and try to make them and then I had to keep going up.

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It was torture, it was the worst team gig I ever had, but it made me really strong.

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And then I audition along with a bunch of other comedians guys whose names I won't say, but you know because everybody wanted that warmup gig but I was better at that.

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They were better at a lot of things than I was, but I was better at that than them and Jon Stewart hired me and then Stephen Colbert spun off and he took me with him and they they and Jon brought back in the guy who used to do it and those were some of the best years of my life.

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Some nights I warmed up the audience at the daily show and then ran over to the Colbert report because they taped just after and I double dipped and got to you know payouts and, importantly, those were the best audiences in the world Like to see the.

00:31:11.537 --> 00:31:16.298
If you get the audience at the daily show, the Colbert report or now now John Oliver is the best audience.

00:31:16.298 --> 00:31:27.940
In addition to those shows, they're the smartest, edgiest, most diverse, young, often, audience, and so to have that gig at that show was amazing.

00:31:27.940 --> 00:31:35.244
You didn't let it go, and the only reason I eventually left Colbert is because I got hired at CNN to be on an on-air correspondent.

00:31:35.244 --> 00:31:40.718
At that point I was working at series xm, colbert, which is comedy central and cnn.

00:31:40.718 --> 00:31:43.904
So I was literally, uh, employed by three separate networks.

00:31:43.904 --> 00:31:44.165
Triple.

00:31:44.165 --> 00:31:54.412
That was as good as it gets in terms of money, but my daughters were little and I realized what was good and I actually ended up trying to pare things down, believe it or not what year was that?

00:31:54.432 --> 00:31:55.076
what year are we talking about?

00:31:55.096 --> 00:32:04.719
2010 I got hired at cnn and I was an on-air correspondent there and then that was the kind of beginning of my like on-air cable commentator thing did you do?

00:32:04.898 --> 00:32:08.451
man in the street there too, wasn't that part of it called pete on the street?

00:32:08.494 --> 00:32:14.217
pete on the street yeah, and I went out and I had a question of the day and I went out in the streets of new york and several other.

00:32:14.217 --> 00:32:15.659
They sent me on a of remotes.

00:32:15.659 --> 00:32:30.201
It was on a field at Fenway Park and I covered the oil spill down in New Orleans and a bunch of other assignments and it was great and I got myself in there and eventually I actually hosted a show on CNN for eight weeks, my own show.

00:32:30.201 --> 00:32:37.104
I hosted a cable news show for eight weeks called what the Week with Pete Dominick, and so yeah, I mean I really did it all.

00:32:37.104 --> 00:32:37.986
I did all of it.

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You name it, I did it and it was all great.

00:32:40.721 --> 00:32:42.501
And now I'm doing the independent media thing.

00:32:42.501 --> 00:32:48.704
It's a whole nother world in so many ways, but everything's changed so much over our careers too, we all know.

00:32:49.835 --> 00:33:08.432
I want to take it back just a little bit and ask, obviously, when you hit, when you were doing your road stuff, when you're doing clubs, when you're doing colleges, there's a bit of time in there from probably when you were doing all that to when you got the warm-up gig with Stewart's show, with the Daily Show, with the Call, with the Rapport, with, then, obviously, john Oliver.

00:33:08.432 --> 00:33:16.767
How much time are we talking about in terms of there, and how much did it help to hone your chops, to get a job like that?

00:33:16.967 --> 00:33:18.128
Oh yeah, that's a good question.

00:33:18.128 --> 00:33:18.910
I mean years.

00:33:18.910 --> 00:33:24.162
There were years before I got Colbert, I think that was like 2008.

00:33:24.162 --> 00:33:32.348
So before that, I mean, I was on the road, for I was doing just stand up for a solid eight years and I was doing colleges.

00:33:32.348 --> 00:33:44.625
So that's one performance, one type of performance in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin, you know with 20 kids in a cafe, the snack shop or, if you're lucky, they really do a good job promoting and people love the comedians.

00:33:44.625 --> 00:33:46.101
They bring us 300 kids in the auditorium.

00:33:46.855 --> 00:33:49.721
But I did that all over the country and I also performed.

00:33:49.721 --> 00:33:56.059
I got to, you know, open for a lot of guys, but then I made it to be a headliner at a lot of good clubs.

00:33:56.059 --> 00:34:04.900
So I perform a headline weekends at comedy clubs around the country, and always, though, my main focus was New York city, the clubs in New York city, and I was out.

00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:07.326
You know you felt guilty, if you.

00:34:07.326 --> 00:34:08.088
I was like I said.

00:34:08.114 --> 00:34:10.177
I worked really hard, so I worked as many days as they could.

00:34:10.177 --> 00:34:12.641
I didn't take time off unless I couldn't get a spot.

00:34:12.641 --> 00:34:18.190
I tried to get as many shows as I could, as many sets as I could every night, and I felt guilty if I didn't work.

00:34:18.190 --> 00:34:34.672
I felt really guilty if I didn't work on a Friday or Saturday and I, yeah, I did every type of gig in front of every type of audience corporate fundraiser, chicken, barbecue, family gathering, apartments, apartments and kids' house.

00:34:34.672 --> 00:34:38.914
I mean wildly inappropriate venues and events for comedy.

00:34:38.914 --> 00:34:42.384
Just, you should never have comedy noon at a college.

00:34:42.384 --> 00:34:49.244
You just walk out and like I mean to interrupt, I know you're trying to eat, um, you name it.

00:34:49.324 --> 00:34:50.728
I was in every situation.

00:34:50.728 --> 00:34:52.722
I mean, we did everything during during the pandemic.

00:34:52.722 --> 00:34:53.728
You know, we we perform.

00:34:53.728 --> 00:35:00.626
I performed in parking lots in front of people in their cars and that's also like kind of what broke me too from.

00:35:00.626 --> 00:35:01.391
That didn't break me.

00:35:01.391 --> 00:35:02.637
I'm just like I don't want to do this shit.

00:35:02.637 --> 00:35:04.161
This is nonsense.

00:35:04.161 --> 00:35:10.338
We're really fortunate and I'm really fortunate and uh, and now, like so much has changed.

00:35:10.338 --> 00:35:11.081
We could talk about that.

00:35:11.081 --> 00:35:25.686
You know, if we even get to, I don't even care that much about the comedy scene today and a lot of people are doing really well, but so much has changed with the internet and and the, the cultural zeitgeist changing and sure, people across the spectrum, people like to say how sensitive liberals are.

00:35:25.686 --> 00:35:30.215
It's, it's, it's a ridiculous conversation because trumpers and right-wing, everybody's sensitive.

00:35:30.215 --> 00:35:34.186
If you don't, if you say something they don't like, everybody just gets upset and yells at you.

00:35:34.456 --> 00:35:42.403
Everyone clutches pearls yeah, nobody better than anybody Like, and if you're just trying to do comedy and you read the the aim is comedy, then I hope that you can enjoy that.

00:35:42.403 --> 00:35:44.681
But it's not necessarily the case anymore.

00:35:44.681 --> 00:35:49.306
But so I I got I did everything to answer your question that I possibly could.

00:35:49.306 --> 00:35:56.222
I put myself at every situation that a comedian could ever imagine being in and you sink or swim.

00:35:59.335 --> 00:36:00.376
What did you learn from guys like john?

00:36:00.396 --> 00:36:02.902
stewart, john oliver and those guys not a lot.

00:36:02.902 --> 00:36:08.958
I think I I'd learn more from guys I was with every night that I watched work and develop.

00:36:08.958 --> 00:36:22.320
I mean, those guys were really doing scripts, so it wasn't really what I was doing, but I I learned about how they carried themselves as the leader of a show or as a man, as a powerful man.

00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.739
I learned a lot about that and those two guys were role models.

00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:31.467
They were good role models for other men and they treated people very well.

00:36:31.467 --> 00:36:40.500
John treated me better than probably anybody because he was a standup comic me better than probably anybody because he was a standup comic.

00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:42.226
And he, uh, it's just a really salt of the earth guy.

00:36:42.226 --> 00:36:42.887
He's a mensch and a great guy.

00:36:42.907 --> 00:36:54.789
And I, you know, I learned how important it was to be funny and how hard it was to be funny, including for them, and never and you know I'm not gonna say it never gets easy, but they always worked at it.

00:36:54.789 --> 00:36:58.041
So I definitely learned their work ethic Like I have.

00:36:58.041 --> 00:37:00.019
I had a really strong ethic.

00:37:00.019 --> 00:37:03.998
But being around those guys doing a show every day, I still do a show every day.

00:37:03.998 --> 00:37:04.981
It's it's what I do.

00:37:04.981 --> 00:37:06.976
I have to do a show today and I.

00:37:06.976 --> 00:37:12.898
I build my own podcast every day with three segments, and it's a tremendous amount of work, but that's that's what I've always done.

00:37:12.898 --> 00:37:13.820
That's what they do.

00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:17.206
So I guess work, ethic and character more than anything else.

00:37:20.695 --> 00:37:22.061
What prompted you to want to make the move?

00:37:22.061 --> 00:37:25.920
As you said, when you were at Sirius you were doing stuff over at on the comedy channels there.

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.871
But when Independent finally came through with the idea of independent politics, thought, etc.

00:37:31.871 --> 00:37:34.603
What made you want to make that move into that genre?

00:37:35.177 --> 00:37:38.978
Comedy just wasn't satisfying enough to me in terms of like the purpose.

00:37:38.978 --> 00:37:40.222
It didn't give me enough of a purpose.

00:37:40.222 --> 00:37:43.757
I was always a very uh uh.

00:37:43.757 --> 00:37:50.795
My mom's a public school teacher, and service mattered to me and my family and I didn't it just didn't feel like.

00:37:50.876 --> 00:37:55.643
It felt like a very selfish thing to do, and I loved it and I still love it.

00:37:55.643 --> 00:38:32.550
But after 9-11 and then becoming a father, those two events in my life made me want, made me care about the world a lot more and care about my daughter's future a lot more, and I wanted to be more impactful in some way and be of service, I think in some way, and so doing a thoughtful talk show and bringing on the smartest people I could find and asking them good questions was what I thought was the way for me to do it.

00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:40.309
I was never, and am still not, the guy who has all the answers or positions himself as the genius behind the microphone telling you how it is.

00:38:40.309 --> 00:38:48.469
I do bring on people who are very smart about their issue, that they have worked their whole career on, etc.

00:38:48.469 --> 00:38:52.400
And so that was my, that was what I did and that was why I did it.

00:38:52.614 --> 00:39:00.221
9-11 and becoming a father made me want to do something more important and of service that made more of an impact in the world.

00:39:00.221 --> 00:39:11.222
I wanted to be more impactful than just, you know, making people laugh and just purely entertaining people, and I wasn't, frankly, wasn't good enough of a joke writer I could perform.

00:39:11.222 --> 00:39:13.648
If you wrote the joke I could sell it to anybody.

00:39:13.648 --> 00:39:18.416
But I just wasn't good enough of a joke writer to be one who spoke truth to power.

00:39:19.259 --> 00:39:29.164
So all my jokes and still are you know, about my personal life and kind of just observations, but I my my humor around politics and social issues wasn't that good.

00:39:29.164 --> 00:39:31.778
I was never going to be that guy and frankly I didn't.

00:39:31.778 --> 00:39:33.784
I didn't really like those, a lot of those comedians.

00:39:33.784 --> 00:39:38.315
They just were kind of divisive and kind of arrogant and so I didn't.

00:39:38.315 --> 00:39:39.036
It doesn't really.

00:39:39.036 --> 00:39:51.086
But I was interested in social issues and and the impact of our you know our behaviors and our policies and climate change early on, and and civil rights.

00:39:51.086 --> 00:39:59.155
I was raised to be really concerned about civil rights in general, so I wanted to be in that space and so I made it happen.

00:39:59.617 --> 00:40:04.099
John Stewart years ago was asked you know whether or not he considered himself a political pundit.

00:40:04.099 --> 00:40:08.458
Now, obviously he's always said that he doesn't consider himself that maybe, maybe less so now.

00:40:08.458 --> 00:40:14.900
The Daily Show for many years was considered one of these places where people look to get news from right.

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:20.862
So you know he never thought he he was a political pundit or someone who was there to deliver information.

00:40:20.862 --> 00:40:23.036
Do you consider yourself that well?

00:40:23.076 --> 00:40:34.650
first of all, that's nonsense yeah, I always thought I was crazy for him to say that him and steven always said that don't pay attention to me, I come on after the the puppets, uh.

00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:39.856
But I didn't connect the dots because you asked questions that normally I would connect these two dots for you.

00:40:39.856 --> 00:40:51.500
But basically I created a radio show that was the daily show for the radio, because comedians were the only people that would be of any interest to listen to when it came to progressive ideas.

00:40:51.500 --> 00:40:54.213
There wasn't progressive radio shows that were that interesting.

00:40:54.213 --> 00:40:55.416
They're boring and weren't good.

00:40:55.416 --> 00:41:01.027
So, like you, needed performers the way they have on the right, and so comedians were able to do that.

00:41:01.027 --> 00:41:03.661
So that's why that's the most impact they had on me.

00:41:03.661 --> 00:41:10.204
So what I learned from them is that you can make an impact on people and teach people about important issues by entertaining them.

00:41:10.204 --> 00:41:12.597
That's what I learned from them and that's what I should have told you.

00:41:12.597 --> 00:41:20.762
But john and steven, john, they all I don't think they still would would cop to say that kind of bullshit.

00:41:21.155 --> 00:41:23.202
I don't think John Oliver would, for sure I don't think he would.

00:41:23.222 --> 00:41:25.612
He knows the impact he's making, but I don't think John Stewart would either.

00:41:25.612 --> 00:41:33.115
I mean, john is an activist by definition, an activist in terms of what he did for veterans and the nine 11 first responders healthcare.

00:41:33.115 --> 00:41:40.920
That was activism and organizing and he used his influence and his fame and his credibility for that, and so was his show.

00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:52.389
The show was absolutely as culturally impactful and important as any other program in all of media, from NPR to CBS News to CNN or anywhere else.

00:41:52.389 --> 00:41:57.806
More impactful than all of them, probably on a certain on the people listening or watching them.

00:41:57.806 --> 00:41:59.297
I mean young people, overwhelmingly.

00:41:59.297 --> 00:42:03.956
A young, diverse group of people were raised on those shows.

00:42:03.956 --> 00:42:06.461
They were deeply impacted by those shows.

00:42:06.521 --> 00:42:08.606
I was at the rally for sanity and fear.

00:42:08.606 --> 00:42:09.014
Where's the?

00:42:09.014 --> 00:42:12.824
I've been in here somewhere where John and Steven were.

00:42:12.824 --> 00:42:15.679
You know, hosted that live event in Washington DC in 2010.

00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:24.402
And at that point I was working for CNN and they hired me to cover that event because they knew I had ins there and I had credibility with both Steve and John.

00:42:24.402 --> 00:42:26.101
So there we were.

00:42:26.101 --> 00:42:42.679
I was live on CNN with Wolf Blitzer now working for CNN, just having left the Colbert Report, and Wolf says describe the scene and I go it's a party, man, we're having a great time, it's awesome, it's like a party out here and I was standing above everybody and I get everybody to yell.

00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:43.663
I was like are we having fun?

00:42:47.568 --> 00:42:47.971
You know and.

00:42:47.990 --> 00:42:48.713
I go back to you, Wolf.

00:42:48.713 --> 00:42:51.300
I think I remember that I find that audio, or video.

00:42:52.295 --> 00:43:00.856
It's a phrase I never thought I'd say for real Back to you, wolf.

00:43:00.876 --> 00:43:01.356
And so I get a call.

00:43:01.356 --> 00:43:01.838
They call it Pete the.

00:43:01.838 --> 00:43:05.346
Somebody needs to talk to you in the van CNN van.

00:43:05.346 --> 00:43:13.797
You know we're a satellite van in a location in the mall where we were in DC and one of the lawyers that I knew him Pete, it's Eric.

00:43:13.797 --> 00:43:15.581
Listen, repeat after me.

00:43:15.581 --> 00:43:27.246
I'm not part of the event, I'm covering the event and I, being the way I am at Sirius, I was the same way.

00:43:27.246 --> 00:43:32.643
I don't know if you knew this, larry, but I did not and do not see hierarchy and I don't respect it.

00:43:32.643 --> 00:43:38.525
And so the president of the company was Scott Greensteinstein and the CEO was, uh, what's his name?

00:43:39.036 --> 00:43:39.938
Or Mel Karmazin.

00:43:39.938 --> 00:43:40.963
It was Mel right.

00:43:42.076 --> 00:43:46.583
Well, I had the same relationship with Mel, but it was whoever the guy was after Mel from Indianapolis.

00:43:46.583 --> 00:43:48.016
Uh hey, everybody, it's me.

00:43:48.016 --> 00:43:51.878
Yeah, yeah, yeah Anyway those guys.

00:43:51.878 --> 00:43:54.726
I took the piss out of them in the hallway in their offices.

00:43:54.726 --> 00:44:03.295
I did not you, you know, like have a allow them to have anything on me.

00:44:03.295 --> 00:44:06.384
I, you, didn't bend the knee to them I mean, I was an entertainer.

00:44:06.525 --> 00:44:08.559
I mean, other people had to, but I was an on-air host.

00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.248
I wasn't bending the knee to this guy.

00:44:10.248 --> 00:44:10.771
Who is he?

00:44:10.771 --> 00:44:11.695
He doesn't have my talent.

00:44:11.695 --> 00:44:12.456
Where's his talent?

00:44:12.456 --> 00:44:12.717
Why?

00:44:12.717 --> 00:44:15.565
I'm not saying doesn't have talent, but it's nowhere near mine.

00:44:16.007 --> 00:44:25.121
I succeeded in a place where no one succeeds and he's just an executive and, honestly, like a lot of executives, they're just no people and they're likable or whatever.

00:44:25.121 --> 00:44:34.414
I'm not saying they aren't talented, but your talent, your ability to have a conversation and your ability to steer that conversation isn't as good as mine.

00:44:34.414 --> 00:44:38.804
So I'm taking over and really in my career I didn't do that and I let a lot of guys kind of take advantage of me.

00:44:38.804 --> 00:44:41.128
But I realized quickly I was like no, no, that's not how it's going to be.

00:44:41.128 --> 00:44:45.726
And so when that executive said to me, repeat after me, I got triggered.

00:44:45.726 --> 00:44:50.681
I was like oh, oh, you should no way.

00:44:50.681 --> 00:45:00.838
I mean I'm not you repeat after me, I'm Eric, I'm an executive.

00:45:00.838 --> 00:45:07.543
Cnn, I hired a comedian, not a journalist, you know like, and he appreciated it.

00:45:07.543 --> 00:45:16.143
These guys, you know, you talk back to them and you move yourself up sometimes or they hate you forever.

00:45:16.143 --> 00:45:24.561
But that never was the case with me, because I had a good point, like it was a ridiculous way he was talking to me and I I didn't much care for it and so I always pushed back.

00:45:24.961 --> 00:45:25.403
I don't like.

00:45:25.403 --> 00:45:30.922
I don't like powerful men and I never want to be one and I've never tried to be one.

00:45:30.922 --> 00:45:32.956
I try to create a place where people have.

00:45:32.956 --> 00:45:38.503
You know, when I was at serious, I had three people that worked on my show, but I was never the boss, never acted like it.

00:45:38.503 --> 00:45:45.170
The rules were they could yell at me, they could talk down to me, they could make definitely could make jokes at my expense.

00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:52.070
That was always encouraged because I felt like that created a better atmosphere for creativity and for people to be comfortable, and I just don't like that.

00:45:52.070 --> 00:45:52.815
Who likes that?

00:45:52.815 --> 00:45:55.259
Who likes to be talked down to, especially when likes that?

00:45:55.259 --> 00:45:57.601
Who likes to be talked down to, especially when you're a man, especially when you're a white guy Like I?

00:45:57.601 --> 00:46:00.746
Just it was just so transparently weak to me.

00:46:00.746 --> 00:46:01.768
I find it to be weakness.

00:46:07.137 --> 00:46:16.083
I think actually it's funny we're talking about this, because I think that's one of your most endearing things is that you have a toughness and a grit and a take no shit attitude when you're debating people, when you're going, you know, with the smartest people in the world.

00:46:16.083 --> 00:46:25.027
I mean you talked about it a minute ago how you brought the smartest people in the world to engage in a conversation and I mean to say you held your own is an understatement of the year.

00:46:25.027 --> 00:46:34.117
I mean, you were toe to toe with a lot of people on some really important subjects, you know, and you never back down about that.

00:46:34.117 --> 00:46:35.820
Do you have a favorite?

00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:38.125
Do you have one interview that stands out in your mind?

00:46:38.125 --> 00:46:43.204
Someone you brought on or you went on a show, some incident or thing that happened where you're like.

00:46:43.204 --> 00:46:45.519
This is why I do this right here, right now.

00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:46.262
This is why I do this.

00:46:46.302 --> 00:46:47.204
I have a lot of moments.

00:46:47.204 --> 00:46:48.880
They're in different categories, larry.

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:54.204
I've got them all in my hall of fame in my head that I can reference real quick to feel satisfied about what I've accomplished.

00:46:54.204 --> 00:47:03.543
If I ever have for a moment self-pity which is one of the more insidious feelings than anybody should ever have and should you have it and I've dealt with it a lot in my life and I find myself having it I go well, what are you doing?

00:47:03.543 --> 00:47:05.217
What are you doing Especially?

00:47:05.217 --> 00:47:07.362
Like done it all, man.

00:47:07.362 --> 00:47:09.065
Like what have you not done and accomplished?

00:47:09.065 --> 00:47:10.536
Why are you feeling bad for yourself?

00:47:10.536 --> 00:47:13.543
But so there's a lot of different moments.

00:47:14.266 --> 00:47:25.760
Interviewing civil rights leader john lewis was at the aspen ideas festival and the only reason I was there because I created the partnership between sirius and aspen ideas institute.

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.387
I made that happen, which is another thing that made scott greenstein look good.

00:47:29.387 --> 00:47:30.980
And how and why did I do that?

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:33.065
Partially because I knew that he had a house in aspen.

00:47:33.065 --> 00:47:35.318
Literally, that's how shrewd I was.

00:47:35.318 --> 00:47:41.737
But the interviewing him was the moment I got off the bench.

00:47:41.737 --> 00:47:43.822
I no longer felt like an imposter.

00:47:43.822 --> 00:47:46.672
I put myself in this location.

00:47:46.672 --> 00:47:48.215
I booked that person.

00:47:48.215 --> 00:47:51.885
He said yes, because of me and my credibility of where I've gotten.

00:47:52.246 --> 00:48:00.275
Interviewing John Lewis was the career moment where I was like was like, okay, this is my hero and I'm interviewing him.

00:48:00.275 --> 00:48:04.266
I didn't think I'd ever meet him and yet I'm taping, I'm I'm hosting, like and then we sang.

00:48:04.266 --> 00:48:09.224
Then we danced to Pharrell's happy and there's video of that on.

00:48:09.224 --> 00:48:15.985
Together we I danced with him but I think that the the best like performance moment for me.

00:48:15.985 --> 00:48:28.181
I got a lot of bad ones, including my entire appearance on Joe Rogan show, but the best moment for me was when I was on real time with Bill Maher and Billy Bush was on the panel with us.

00:48:28.181 --> 00:48:29.726
Billy Bush, of course, of access Hollywood.

00:48:29.726 --> 00:48:35.304
Who was there on the ball Was this was this after I remember assuming yeah yeah yeah, sure it was.

00:48:42.155 --> 00:48:42.695
He was trying to.

00:48:42.695 --> 00:48:43.137
It was years later.

00:48:43.137 --> 00:48:45.302
It was two years after that tape, right, because it was 18.

00:48:45.302 --> 00:48:46.244
Trump had been elected in 16.

00:48:46.244 --> 00:48:47.405
So billy bush is kind of trying to rehab his image.

00:48:47.405 --> 00:48:47.786
He took a beating.

00:48:47.786 --> 00:48:51.094
After that it came out and walking it back, yep.

00:48:51.094 --> 00:48:57.184
So I scolded him and bill maher did not like it, and fair enough.

00:48:57.184 --> 00:48:59.248
You know, maybe it wasn't appropriate on that show.

00:48:59.248 --> 00:49:01.599
Who am I and bill maher?

00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:01.820
And?

00:49:01.820 --> 00:49:11.476
And the reason why it's a standout moment is because you can't be prepared for a live tv moment, you can't prep for it, you can't, you won't, you can never see it coming, especially in a show like that.

00:49:11.476 --> 00:49:18.208
Like bill's really unpredictable and he's not intimidated by anyone at all, really, and certainly not me.

00:49:18.208 --> 00:49:21.838
So he said pete, you've never.

00:49:21.838 --> 00:49:24.224
Because they call that a locker room talk.

00:49:24.224 --> 00:49:26.789
People said that's just locker room talk.

00:49:26.789 --> 00:49:28.318
Now it was I.

00:49:28.318 --> 00:49:31.324
I always was like no, not, not in any locker rooms I've been in.

00:49:31.324 --> 00:49:37.123
We didn't talk, we didn't joke about raping someone or assaulting someone right sure but?

00:49:37.364 --> 00:49:37.485
but?

00:49:37.485 --> 00:49:49.878
So I scolded billy bush and and you know I I can you can find it out there better than I can explain it but basically what happened was it was a moment where I couldn't predict and mar really pushed back on me and put me in a, in a, in a corner, hard.

00:49:49.878 --> 00:49:56.887
He goes oh pete, like you've never had locker room, talk like you, you're like a perfect guy.

00:49:56.887 --> 00:50:01.193
And they go no, absolutely not.

00:50:01.193 --> 00:50:06.565
I objectified women my entire life as if they were objects to be conquered.

00:50:06.565 --> 00:50:09.253
But I matured, I grew up.

00:50:09.253 --> 00:50:18.168
But I will say this even when I was younger, in junior high, at my most immature, we didn't joke about sexually assaulting women.

00:50:18.168 --> 00:50:18.909
We didn't.

00:50:18.909 --> 00:50:27.018
What we did was this we said I want to have sex with Sarah, and my friends would say to me Sarah will never fuck you.

00:50:27.018 --> 00:50:27.981
And that was it.

00:50:28.884 --> 00:50:29.144
Yep.

00:50:29.505 --> 00:50:35.240
Yeah, it gets a huge laugh, including by Mar, because I was honest.

00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:42.481
I didn't try to act like I was better than other guys, but I was a little like we weren't that bad and, more importantly, we just that was what we did.

00:50:42.481 --> 00:50:43.284
You bust jobs.

00:50:43.284 --> 00:50:44.547
I want to hook up with that girl.

00:50:44.547 --> 00:50:45.998
She'll never hook up with you, loser.

00:50:45.998 --> 00:50:48.304
That's what guys do a lot of.

00:50:48.304 --> 00:50:49.547
It's not like good luck.

00:50:49.547 --> 00:50:50.898
I hope it works out for you.

00:50:50.898 --> 00:50:55.128
I don't know about it as I go home and touch myself.

00:50:55.128 --> 00:51:03.173
So I mean that was one of my favorite moments and I and I have it, you know, on my reel as such, but there's a million, you know, working at CNN.

00:51:03.173 --> 00:51:18.835
I never thought I would be in like political media, I suppose, when I started as a comedian and what that led me to and who I got to interview and the spaces I got to be in and the moments I really got to be around and cover were pretty, pretty cool man, really cool when did you make the break from satellite and go over to do your own thing?

00:51:19.617 --> 00:51:36.664
in 2019, in november 2019, they told me they would not be renewing my contract and that my last show would be, you know, today, basically, um and that, and my world came completely unraveled.

00:51:36.664 --> 00:51:45.126
I had, I, I built like I just grew and built in that in within the both the industry and, specifically, that business.

00:51:45.126 --> 00:51:46.920
And I, I did everything right.

00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:59.701
I got work in TV, I get, I played the game that they, the executives, wanted me to play to get attention for the company, cause, you know, before the merger of the company and then after the merger, like anytime they got mentioned, it was huge and I got them mentioned because I was on TV all the time.

00:51:59.701 --> 00:52:07.181
I was doing they would send me Scott Greenstein, would send me to charity events and sit with I sat with Mel and other people, like representing the company.

00:52:07.181 --> 00:52:11.961
I did a great job as an ambassador to the company in every way and, as a result, I was rewarded.

00:52:11.961 --> 00:52:13.677
I got five contracts.

00:52:13.677 --> 00:52:34.557
I negotiated them myself and it was great and I created my own channel at the end and we did it for about four years and never it never was what I said it was going to be, which is like the daily show of the radio NPR with the personality, but I did do it and as a result of me creating that channel, I think I got another four years probably, and those last four years were the best contracts I had.

00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.465
But the way I look at it, it was personally.

00:52:37.465 --> 00:52:42.375
It was absolute tragedy and I talk a lot about what happened to me in my life very transparently.

00:52:42.375 --> 00:53:03.965
I wrote about it in an article for Katie Couric's media outlet shortly after it happened and I use it as much as I can that story for other men, because I mean the easiest way to say it is I had my dream job and I loved every day and I never took it for granted and I took a breath before every show and often during the show.

00:53:03.965 --> 00:53:05.197
I can't believe I'm doing this.

00:53:05.197 --> 00:53:06.621
I can't believe I get to do this.

00:53:06.621 --> 00:53:08.195
When we come back from break, I was excited.

00:53:08.195 --> 00:53:12.099
Every moment was so, it was so gratified and I never took.

00:53:12.099 --> 00:53:15.083
I almost never missed a day, like I never missed a day of high school.

00:53:15.083 --> 00:53:22.432
I love the work and when I lost it, I lost everything my confidence, my money, my health insurance.

00:53:22.432 --> 00:53:26.965
Uh, I knew it was going to cause relationships with my wife, because why wouldn't it?

00:53:26.965 --> 00:53:27.748
It's money.

00:53:27.748 --> 00:53:41.554
Uh, my lifestyle changed everything and, uh, I had to pick up the pieces and it was absolutely devastating for me and luckily I had a really great life but and a lot of privilege.

00:53:41.675 --> 00:53:44.561
But I think that there's a lot of us people in my category.

00:53:44.561 --> 00:54:02.764
If you're like me and things generally worked out and somewhat free of tragedy and your career took off and your dreams were all came true, and then you lose it, what happens then is you realize what the word resilience means and that a lot of people around you have it and you don't.

00:54:02.764 --> 00:54:21.610
Holy shit, I came undone and spiraled in ways I never did in my life because I never had that kind of adversity, I had such privilege, and that's why a lot of men in my situation, or even tangentially close to it, get very ill and drink and develop addictions and often take their lives.

00:54:21.610 --> 00:54:28.023
And I'm working really hard on in that space to prevent that and I talk a lot about what happened then.

00:54:28.023 --> 00:54:35.577
But building it back up was the hardest thing I've ever done, and who wants to work that hard that far into your career?

00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:37.500
You know you already did it all.

00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.764
Like I did all the hard stuff Right Now it should be.

00:54:40.764 --> 00:54:44.947
I should just show up, put the microphone on, turn the camera on.

00:54:44.947 --> 00:54:45.409
Let's go.

00:54:45.469 --> 00:54:59.811
I earned it, you earned it you know what, pete, honestly, I can totally relate with what you're saying, since the three of us had a show over at Sirius for many years and when that show was gone it was, like you know, it really did rattle you.

00:54:59.811 --> 00:55:08.085
And when I and I'm like you I was let go from Sirius and, yes, it rattled my confidence, it made me not trust myself, my instincts any longer.

00:55:08.085 --> 00:55:09.922
So, yeah, I totally relate to what you're saying.

00:55:09.922 --> 00:55:16.643
Actually, even before we started actually recording this interview, we talked a little bit about you know what that life was like.

00:55:16.643 --> 00:55:22.539
And then you talked about the notion of being in corporate radio.

00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.777
Now, I don't know if you did a lot of terrestrial radio prior to Sirius, but you know that to me was my notion of corporate radio.

00:55:26.777 --> 00:55:29.362
So I wanted to ask you, like, what did you?

00:55:29.362 --> 00:55:35.800
What do you see now, let's say, from your days in corporate radio to where you're essentially now you're your own business.

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.844
Right, you're your own business at this point, do you?

00:55:38.844 --> 00:55:43.516
You know, serious was so different in that the radio shows we did there.

00:55:43.516 --> 00:55:48.958
There was a great deal of freedom to them, yes, obviously under a corporate flag, but there was a great deal of freedom to that.

00:55:48.958 --> 00:55:55.940
Do you feel less shackled, more shackled, even now, with what you have to do well, I definitely feel less shackled.

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.106
It shackled it's for me to think or swim.

00:55:58.106 --> 00:56:07.128
I mean, I don't work with anyone and so I make booking decisions and editorial decisions and marketing decisions.

00:56:07.128 --> 00:56:17.385
And I just changed my whole show after Trump got reelected to do an opening segment that I heard that the happy opening or the good feeling, all the good stuff.

00:56:18.434 --> 00:56:34.204
I do it every day now and because I have this practice on my own that I do every day, where I read, write, journal read, meditate and exercise, and basically I read a lot of philosophy that was in Buddhism, all those books I've always subscribed to, all kinds of different self help and self empowerment and betterment stuff, and so I just share all this.

00:56:34.204 --> 00:56:41.023
You know different quotes and I call it the good stuff and it's been really popular because that's what people want and the point of it is that I could do that.

00:56:41.023 --> 00:56:42.565
I just decided I'm going to do that.

00:56:42.565 --> 00:56:43.405
If people like it, great.

00:56:43.405 --> 00:56:44.186
If they don't, great.

00:56:44.186 --> 00:56:47.391
But you know there are trade-offs, as you guys know.

00:56:47.391 --> 00:57:03.780
I mean I talk about it a fair bit with people who are self-employed about whatever.

00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:04.521
You know it's like no paid time off.

00:57:04.521 --> 00:57:05.164
I used to love my paid time off.

00:57:05.164 --> 00:57:06.186
I'd take a vacation, relax, knowing I'm getting paid.

00:57:06.186 --> 00:57:07.831
And if you don't work now, if you know, especially in in media, you have to be seen.

00:57:07.851 --> 00:57:20.501
But it's always so precious when people like I don't like being on social media, I'm like, well, you have you, you gotta do a podcast, talk into a microphone because you want people to listen to you, and now you're acting like you don't need to promote it, because it's annoying.

00:57:20.862 --> 00:57:21.344
I hear you.

00:57:21.344 --> 00:57:23.579
It's the hardest thing you have to be on all the time.

00:57:24.101 --> 00:57:29.722
So so you gotta be on all the time and you gotta be producing things to be seen all the time.

00:57:29.722 --> 00:57:31.849
Uh, so that's hard.

00:57:31.849 --> 00:57:33.474
That's really hard, Cause I would.

00:57:33.474 --> 00:57:37.041
I would like to have more time off, but I really do love my work.

00:57:37.041 --> 00:57:41.769
I really do love the opportunity I get to talk to almost everybody I want.

00:57:41.769 --> 00:57:43.762
Like one of the cool things in my life is all the books.

00:57:43.762 --> 00:57:46.601
You see behind me, and my whole place is decorated in books.

00:57:46.601 --> 00:57:47.505
They were all free.

00:57:47.505 --> 00:57:54.362
I can walk up to my bookcase and I can be like, not only did I read that book, I interviewed that author.

00:57:54.362 --> 00:57:55.806
I love that.

00:57:57.715 --> 00:57:58.737
I can walk up to my books and go I read that book.

00:57:58.737 --> 00:57:59.318
I interviewed that author.

00:57:59.338 --> 00:58:03.208
I love that I can walk up to my books and go, and I just think that's a really, really cool thing to be able to get to do for a living.

00:58:03.208 --> 00:58:08.065
I have my curiosity quenched every day and you know I laugh.

00:58:08.065 --> 00:58:09.188
I have great conversations.

00:58:09.188 --> 00:58:10.358
I have conversations for a living.

00:58:10.358 --> 00:58:12.583
That's my job and so I don't.

00:58:12.583 --> 00:58:13.485
You know it's a lot of work.

00:58:13.485 --> 00:58:19.737
You're always gotten having to work, work, but I feel really lucky to be that I'm able.

00:58:19.856 --> 00:58:23.045
When, when serious ended, I was like well, it's over, I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:58:23.045 --> 00:58:26.304
I didn't want to go back to just doing stand-up because just wasn't like I said earlier, wasn't?

00:58:26.304 --> 00:58:30.144
That wasn't gratifying enough to me and it was hard traveling.

00:58:30.144 --> 00:58:31.717
I didn't want to leave my kids and everyone leave my kids.

00:58:31.717 --> 00:58:43.536
When I, when I lost my gig at serious and I sat down with my daughters, who were 14 and 12 at the time, and I told my 14 year old daughter I was like, listen, I lost, lost my job, and she knew I was very upset and she goes.

00:58:43.536 --> 00:58:52.398
You know, she's so comforting and wise always and she put her hand on my shoulder and she's like I mean, I'm not worried about whatever you do.

00:58:52.398 --> 00:58:54.101
Next is going to be better than what you did before.

00:58:54.101 --> 00:58:55.884
Can I go?

00:58:56.164 --> 00:58:57.306
Some words, boy, can I?

00:58:57.346 --> 00:59:00.431
go I was like yeah, and she just wasn't worried.

00:59:00.431 --> 00:59:05.925
And my 12-year-old goes are you not going to be friends with famous people anymore?

00:59:05.925 --> 00:59:09.980
What happened to you?

00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:11.360
What the fuck is wrong with you?

00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.398
And then she goes.

00:59:13.398 --> 00:59:14.641
Are we going to be poor now?

00:59:14.641 --> 00:59:15.483
I go get out.

00:59:15.483 --> 00:59:17.367
Who made?

00:59:17.367 --> 00:59:17.507
You.

00:59:17.735 --> 00:59:21.623
No, I mean, but those are her concerns, but those you know.

00:59:21.623 --> 00:59:27.898
It was a huge, huge shock and game changer, but I guess enough people.

00:59:27.898 --> 00:59:39.248
Because of Sirius I had built enough of an audience that I immediately started making pretty good money and having a lot of listeners because of what Sirius gave me, and I've been able to grow it.

00:59:39.248 --> 00:59:40.951
I can't believe it, but I've been able to grow.

00:59:40.951 --> 00:59:43.594
It started making pretty good money and having a lot of listeners because of what Sirius gave me and I've been able to grow it.

00:59:43.594 --> 00:59:45.856
I can't believe it, but I've been able to grow it slowly but surely.

00:59:45.856 --> 00:59:46.739
I haven't lost and that's the only thing.

00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:47.965
So be able to monetize a podcast is unbelievable.

00:59:47.965 --> 00:59:54.106
To to be able to make the kind of money I'm making is really unbelievable, and to be able to grow it, even slowly, given the things that have happened in the world and you know the way I've done it.

00:59:54.106 --> 01:00:02.130
But the most, the coolest thing is I never, ever expected in my whole career and and entirely at serious that whole time, to build a community.

01:00:02.190 --> 01:00:05.972
I've now built a community and lots of people are doing this, like lots of hosts.

01:00:05.972 --> 01:00:10.762
Podcast shows have an actual community, but I'll put mine against anybody because we're real, we meet.

01:00:10.762 --> 01:00:14.038
I host a zoom hangout every thursday night.

01:00:14.038 --> 01:00:25.961
Now I'm doing it twice a week for the indefinitely, because people are all scared and broken after the election at least my audiences and so it's amazing I have become friends with these people.

01:00:25.961 --> 01:00:29.666
I have hundreds of real life friends, more friends than anybody I know.

01:00:29.666 --> 01:00:42.804
As a result of this, I've always had a lot of friends but like I mean and really like high quality people, diverse group of people and really like high quality people, diverse group of people and just very deep, thoughtful, curious, kind, generous, very funny.

01:00:44.056 --> 01:00:49.443
Your audience often reflects you in some ways, but it's not a bunch of dudes and it's not.

01:00:49.443 --> 01:00:57.625
There's a lot of different people and to build this community and people really need community and there's nothing wrong with and everything right with monetizing community building.

01:00:57.625 --> 01:01:03.302
It's a really moral thing to do, especially now People feel connected and not alone.

01:01:03.302 --> 01:01:08.719
You're potentially saving lives, but you're certainly enriching lives and you can do this.

01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.351
Now A lot of people are doing it and I'm like the kind of the perfect person and type of person to do it.

01:01:13.351 --> 01:01:21.706
I don't have boundaries and I don't think I'm better than anybody and I'm funny, funny so I can do these live hangouts and and be entertaining during them.

01:01:21.706 --> 01:01:23.416
And it's just uh, it's.

01:01:23.416 --> 01:01:25.159
You guys should come check it out.

01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:30.298
it's really, it's magical we, I'm gonna, I was gonna ask, I want to, I want to, I want to check one out.

01:01:30.298 --> 01:01:32.164
Yeah, give me a link for the next one.

01:01:32.164 --> 01:01:34.181
I mean, we have that are also like.

01:01:34.221 --> 01:01:37.594
We have a musician named john carroll who is one of you guys all know music.

01:01:37.594 --> 01:02:02.005
He was one of the founding members starland vocal band and he's an emmy award-winning singer-songwriter grammy awards, forgive me, and uh, he wrote the theme song to my show and he writes music and he performed for us live and he's like a real cool cat, like a real, real cool guy, and so we've got a lot of talented people that offer all kinds of different things to the community in different ways.

01:02:02.005 --> 01:02:03.389
It's amazing, amazing.

01:02:04.456 --> 01:02:06.063
Such an insightful conversation.

01:02:06.063 --> 01:02:10.425
It is hard to look at those moments when things kind of fall apart.

01:02:10.425 --> 01:02:14.226
And I need to ask you mentioned your family a couple of times.

01:02:14.226 --> 01:02:15.755
You mentioned your family a couple of times.

01:02:15.755 --> 01:02:22.782
Work-life balance-wise, I mean, losing the gig at Sirius might have been a true blessing in that sense as well.

01:02:22.782 --> 01:02:25.905
Right, You're home, you get to spend more time with them.

01:02:25.905 --> 01:02:27.987
How did that work out?

01:02:27.987 --> 01:02:29.588
Was it a blessing in that way?

01:02:29.628 --> 01:02:30.228
Yes and no.

01:02:30.228 --> 01:02:33.070
It's a great question, but I talked a lot about work-life balance.

01:02:33.070 --> 01:02:39.233
When I was on the radio and I had it then Because what I did was I turned.

01:02:39.233 --> 01:02:44.538
I told my agents and managers don't, I don't want any work, it's speaking engagements only and one night gigs only.

01:02:44.538 --> 01:02:44.960
But I didn't.

01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:45.402
I wasn't.

01:02:45.402 --> 01:02:51.838
You know, I don't want to pitch shows or do pilots or anything, because I had a real boundary on work life and I had my dream job.

01:02:52.177 --> 01:02:53.077
It was a lot of work.

01:02:53.077 --> 01:02:54.358
I put in eight hours a day.

01:02:54.358 --> 01:02:57.440
I prepared more for my radio show than anybody at Sirius, without a doubt.

01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.804
I mean I came in there at six, 5, 30 AM every single day for years.

01:03:01.804 --> 01:03:03.125
Only person in the building.

01:03:03.125 --> 01:03:04.585
That's how I was when I was little.

01:03:04.585 --> 01:03:07.628
I've always been that way because I'm not talented enough.

01:03:07.628 --> 01:03:17.416
So I have to work harder, to put in more hours, and I and so I had this really great work-life balance for my daughter's whole lives, up until they're 12 and 14.

01:03:18.458 --> 01:03:19.998
And I was very serious about that.

01:03:19.998 --> 01:03:24.523
I was very principled about not working too much and I was very present.

01:03:24.523 --> 01:03:27.766
I never missed anything important almost nothing of my girls.

01:03:27.766 --> 01:03:37.012
I had to work like crazy.

01:03:37.012 --> 01:03:38.539
Luckily the girls were older and more independent and had their own lives.

01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:40.728
So it was a good time for me to have less time for them, because less time was needed.

01:03:40.728 --> 01:03:50.364
I mean, even if I had the time, they weren't spending it with me, because they're teenagers, they're with their friends, they have a lot of friends and so I lost a lot of that.

01:03:50.364 --> 01:03:56.561
But I absolutely missed like mornings for years with them because I hosted a show in the morning.

01:03:56.561 --> 01:03:57.856
I never saw them before school.

01:03:57.856 --> 01:04:00.097
Now I drove them to school every day.

01:04:00.097 --> 01:04:05.501
So absolutely I had more time with them, but they were older then.

01:04:05.501 --> 01:04:07.150
So I think you, you, you see what I'm saying.

01:04:07.150 --> 01:04:25.137
So I had less of a work-life balance and now I have very little work-life balance, but I don't need it, like I just all I do is work and I love my work and then I exercise and I'm pretty happy right now with that and I have a real purpose to a real sense of purpose with my work post this election.

01:04:25.838 --> 01:04:50.393
I'm really doing well by creating and curating this community of folks that we can stay connected and really terrifying time for a lot of people All right, I want to talk a little bit about the election, or at least now post-election, and one of the topics that's been kind of bandied about is the notion of the Harris campaign has it been bandied about Wait a second.

01:04:50.434 --> 01:04:53.534
I did not come on this show you don't want to bandy.

01:04:53.614 --> 01:05:00.458
You don't want to bandy, but one of these things that's been kind of thrown around is that you know harris did not do broadcasts.

01:05:00.458 --> 01:05:09.313
And my question to you is and I know that there's a a negative connotation when you say that word but do you consider yourself a broadcast?

01:05:09.534 --> 01:05:10.114
on the left.

01:05:10.114 --> 01:05:13.405
No, no, no, no, no, no way, no way I would.

01:05:13.525 --> 01:05:19.880
I would the idea that, uh, no, no, no, no, no way, no way I would the idea that you said you're the left Joe Rogan?

01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:21.242
Joe Rogan is a brocat.

01:05:22.771 --> 01:05:22.974
Right.

01:05:22.974 --> 01:05:25.391
Well, that's a good point, You've got me.

01:05:25.391 --> 01:05:40.753
I think what I mean by that is, and what people mean by that, is a host that presents a different style of masculinity, of manhood Right, that presents a different style of masculinity of manhood right and?

01:05:40.753 --> 01:05:44.018
And when you are like I am, my style, my views, my way, I carry myself you tend to attract a lot of women.

01:05:44.018 --> 01:06:00.070
So, yes, I attract men, but I attract a lot of women too, and because they're all looking for, uh, a guy who's just not an arrogant, sexist prick, um, and there's a place for all those guys, there always will be.

01:06:00.070 --> 01:06:11.898
So but I, you know, I, I think um the answer, I'm still stuck on your question what you know, the, the did kamla should she have done?

01:06:11.898 --> 01:06:14.789
I mean, I firmly believe that I don't really.

01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:23.456
My question is not so much should she have done broadcast, but it's more the notion of you know, would you consider yourself that in that genre which you have said you do not?

01:06:23.456 --> 01:06:32.885
But is there, is there space and is there necessary space for that kind of broadcasting and different ideas from?

01:06:32.985 --> 01:06:33.889
what's become?

01:06:34.289 --> 01:07:04.639
you know, yeah, there is, and I mean, I think that if you marketed towards men and you talked about issues that men are more primarily interested in, you can do that things, but the idea is to present a different version of masculinity uh, period, and we can talk about what that is than the one that the, the bro casts do.

01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:18.974
And and you know this idea that you have to identify as a certain type of traditional masculinity, or you aren't cool, you aren't a man, you aren't you aren't a man yeah is I.

01:07:19.255 --> 01:07:20.639
You know people that think the way.

01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.891
I think I would say we find that, we just find it it's lazy and boring.

01:07:23.891 --> 01:07:28.081
I mean it doesn't, it makes no um, it has no appeal to me.

01:07:28.081 --> 01:07:37.273
And then at the same time I joke about it all the time like, oh man, you're such a man, you can fix things and you're you're good around the house and you're so tough and you know whatever.

01:07:37.273 --> 01:07:48.971
But I mean I joke, I do gender stereotypes kinds of as as jokes and I'm I'm happy to applaud any traditional kind of masculine roles that you have, but this you know the idea of the way I say it.

01:07:49.030 --> 01:08:04.365
The difference is two navy seals come back from afghan, afghanistan, having served six deployments and seen a lot of bad shit and lost guys, and they suffer with PTSD and moral injury and potentially physical injury.

01:08:04.365 --> 01:08:24.817
The difference between the one that goes to therapy and confronts his demons and the one that doesn't is how I measure strength, because the hardest thing to do is to confront your demons, your childhood trauma, your what happened in your career, in your marriage, your whatever's happening, really terrifying.

01:08:24.817 --> 01:08:40.802
It's more terrifying than jumping out of a plane or doing stand-up comedy or any number of things to confront the worst moments in your life, or relationships that you had, or experiences that you had that paint you today, that affect you today.

01:08:40.802 --> 01:08:42.876
To me that's strength.

01:08:42.876 --> 01:08:46.557
And so is pain, like how much pain you can take is another measure of strength.

01:08:46.557 --> 01:08:54.978
And so I always kind of do this trick with people and I say, you know, most men can move more weight, can lift more weight or physically stronger.

01:08:54.978 --> 01:08:59.604
If you, you measure strength that way, by then women but women can take more pain because they give birth.

01:08:59.704 --> 01:09:01.293
Like, how do you measure strength?

01:09:01.293 --> 01:09:02.337
Like how do you measure it?

01:09:02.337 --> 01:09:08.951
Because you know we get the flu there's a joke about it, right, there's the man flu because we're so whiny and we, we struggle so hard with the pain.

01:09:08.951 --> 01:09:14.341
But women are, you know, for generations have been certainly emotionally and verbally abused by men.

01:09:14.341 --> 01:09:16.224
So they, you know generational trauma and so on.

01:09:16.224 --> 01:09:17.856
So you know, how do you measure strength?

01:09:17.856 --> 01:09:22.369
How do you and I measure it by how in touch you are with your emotions.

01:09:22.369 --> 01:09:27.873
I think that's impressive and I can, you can see it a mile away in a man, and I'm always.

01:09:27.873 --> 01:09:29.219
That's why I love Jews.

01:09:29.219 --> 01:09:37.770
Jewish men, like Jewish men, are distinctly less masculine and distinctly more in touch with their emotions.

01:09:37.770 --> 01:09:40.317
Now, there's a lot of exceptions that you know.

01:09:40.317 --> 01:09:42.951
They're assholes and masculine pricks just like anybody else.

01:09:42.951 --> 01:09:45.077
I know plenty of them it's very funny.

01:09:45.216 --> 01:09:58.856
I grew up in a jewish household and I'm trying to to connect all those dots and I feel like every person in the generation before mine was so broken in some way and not in touch with their emotions that I think we're making progress?

01:09:58.877 --> 01:10:05.596
Yes, but, like you know, I know not of your family and I'm obviously stereotyping about Jewish culture, american Jewish culture especially.

01:10:05.596 --> 01:10:09.895
But you know what I'm saying right, oh, I am.

01:10:10.096 --> 01:10:20.826
I'm very in touch with all that stuff, but I feel like the generation before was working so strike, being in touch with emotions because of the, you know, inherited trauma of jews.

01:10:20.886 --> 01:10:38.578
Right, you know it's inherited it's the science actually generational trauma is a real thing and but, but, but, like they weren't signaling, constantly signaling masculinity, like you like when a guy drives by in a pickup truck blowing black smoke, he's not Jewish.

01:10:38.578 --> 01:10:41.882
I'm just saying Right, probably right.

01:10:41.882 --> 01:10:48.413
Absolutely right when a guy cuts me off with Jersey plates and Mercedes.

01:10:48.413 --> 01:10:52.019
There's a Jew, that's great.

01:11:03.149 --> 01:11:12.175
So, pete, as we wrap this up a bit, I'm trying to we always end on an advice question and some of our conversations are a little bit more straightforward, meaning you know there's a heart transplant surgeon, there's a navy seal, there's a teacher.

01:11:12.175 --> 01:11:14.618
It was a much more direct route.

01:11:14.618 --> 01:11:27.916
In a way, you're very unique and what you've done is remarkable, incredible, complicated, and you're making a huge difference from my vantage point, in the world right now.

01:11:27.916 --> 01:11:43.706
You have a great voice that you're using For a young person who wants to carve out a place for themselves and to to create a spot within the world of media and to to build a brand and to build a personality.

01:11:43.706 --> 01:11:51.490
If they're just getting started, you know, what advice do you have for somebody who wants to follow some sort of a similar path?

01:11:51.891 --> 01:11:52.332
Don't do it.

01:11:52.332 --> 01:11:54.615
Yeah, no money in it.

01:11:54.615 --> 01:11:57.980
It's brutal.

01:11:57.980 --> 01:11:59.863
I have a lot.

01:11:59.863 --> 01:12:11.703
I love mentoring young people and I love answering their questions, but one piece of advice that I give a lot of young people is don't follow your dreams Quit, because no one ever tells you that.

01:12:11.703 --> 01:12:17.561
And here's the thing Might not be that good at it, you might not be that good at it.

01:12:18.251 --> 01:12:24.042
I think I wasn't good at a lot of things, so I shifted slightly and maneuvered this way.

01:12:24.042 --> 01:12:43.438
I went over here, I did this, I found out where I was good and like motivational home oriented, that I really think it held me back from pursuing certain other things.

01:12:43.438 --> 01:12:46.216
I think I would have been a really good journalist or a really good teacher.

01:12:46.216 --> 01:12:47.802
I'm really great with kids.

01:12:47.802 --> 01:12:51.654
I've done a lot with young people throughout my career volunteering and coaching and stuff.

01:12:51.654 --> 01:12:59.555
But I think that when you're young and you know what you want to do, it's great, but most people don't, and so be patient.

01:12:59.555 --> 01:13:03.560
But I think that when you're young and you know what you want to do, it's great, but most people don't.

01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:15.596
And so be patient, like I've encouraged my daughter, my younger daughter, my older daughter settled on a dream, but my younger daughter is not, and unfortunately my, my older daughter is kind of following my footsteps actor, writer but she's so good already Like she works so hard.

01:13:15.596 --> 01:13:16.658
She's like me too, so I don't deny her success.

01:13:16.658 --> 01:13:17.881
Plus she's so good already like she works so hard.

01:13:17.881 --> 01:13:19.125
She's like me too, so I I don't deny her success.

01:13:19.125 --> 01:13:19.645
Plus she's beautiful.

01:13:19.645 --> 01:13:19.907
So fuck her.

01:13:19.907 --> 01:13:26.881
Um, I hate that, right, I didn't fuck her without my daughter, but like through her, like she doesn't know, like to be ugly in this business, uh.

01:13:26.881 --> 01:13:30.336
So you know, screw good, screw good looking people in this business, uh.

01:13:30.336 --> 01:13:34.372
But but so you know she's got the grit and she's she's gonna do fine.

01:13:34.372 --> 01:13:44.077
But my younger daughter is super confident and very smart, not quite sure what she wants to do, so we're I'm encouraging her to take a gap year, like, don't even go to college, just just figure it out.

01:13:44.551 --> 01:13:52.902
So my encouragement to young people is don't be forced into having a dream and if you do have a dream, you can adapt it and you can quit anytime.

01:13:52.902 --> 01:13:57.692
All this, don't quit, stay determined.

01:13:57.692 --> 01:14:00.761
Type of commencement speeches which I've sold, all of that I certainly lived it.

01:14:00.761 --> 01:14:03.228
I think that maybe we need to.

01:14:03.228 --> 01:14:10.688
Sometimes it's okay to give up because you might be way happier over here doing this.

01:14:11.048 --> 01:14:12.833
You just didn't know that was even a job.

01:14:12.833 --> 01:14:14.557
You didn't know that was a career path you could take.

01:14:14.557 --> 01:14:22.976
No one told you that that was a thing you could do and maybe you should just be working outside in nature the rest of your life and not working.

01:14:22.976 --> 01:14:27.600
You know, and just I also tell them, money is so misleading.

01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:32.471
I 100% thinks a certain amount of money brings you happiness, absolutely A certain amount.

01:14:32.471 --> 01:14:33.355
We could argue it does.

01:14:37.170 --> 01:14:43.094
But like I always can't stand these young men especially saying I just want to make a lot of money, I'm like you have no idea about life, bro, all you'll be doing is working.

01:14:43.094 --> 01:14:44.518
Just if you're working all time.

01:14:44.518 --> 01:15:01.609
I mean, I had so many friends you know we're making a lot of money as lawyers, working 10 hour days, and they were miserable and they got you know the like guys that were like grew up that playing sports and played sports in college in really great shape, and now they work in 10 hours a day and they just get mushy and unhealthy and it's like what are you doing when?

01:15:01.609 --> 01:15:02.332
The best thing to happen?

01:15:02.332 --> 01:15:12.695
When I lost my job, which I never would have chosen, but I had two hours in a car every day and I got mushy and I'm pretty exercise oriented, former athlete, personal trainer, all that.

01:15:12.695 --> 01:15:15.740
So when I lost that job, I got in the best shape of my life.

01:15:15.740 --> 01:15:16.742
That was 2019.

01:15:16.742 --> 01:15:21.315
I haven't had a setback Like I'm really in the best shape of my life as a result of not having to be in a car.

01:15:21.315 --> 01:15:25.975
So you don't know what's going to happen when bad things happen and you can't predict it.

01:15:26.697 --> 01:15:32.295
But also, we're talking about young people and advice Be okay with quitting and adapt.

01:15:32.295 --> 01:15:34.338
There's no shame in it, none at all.

01:15:34.338 --> 01:15:35.542
You might not be that good.

01:15:35.542 --> 01:15:37.431
You tried, you didn't like it.

01:15:37.431 --> 01:15:39.501
People were jerks all the time.

01:15:39.501 --> 01:15:41.689
They didn't treat you well and you know what.

01:15:41.689 --> 01:15:45.841
You have too much dignity to do that Like to be a comedian God forbid.

01:15:45.841 --> 01:15:46.890
You're a female, you want to do it.

01:15:46.890 --> 01:15:52.016
But to be a comedian you just have to eat shit and that's why I don't, you know, put up with executives.

01:15:52.016 --> 01:15:57.462
Once I got to a certain point like I ate all the shit as a comedian, I mean horrible things were said and done.

01:15:57.462 --> 01:15:58.625
There's no HR department.

01:15:58.625 --> 01:16:04.826
One time I had to to get I was sexually harassed legitimately like sexually harassed.

01:16:04.826 --> 01:16:10.155
The booker of the comedy club was a gay guy and I was like, can I, can I get a spot this Friday night?

01:16:10.155 --> 01:16:13.621
He's like no, but if you show me one of your balls, I'll give you a spot on Tuesday.

01:16:13.621 --> 01:16:19.930
So I was like, how about both of them for a Wednesday?

01:16:24.278 --> 01:16:28.164
And we got a deal and I showed him my nuts man.

01:16:28.164 --> 01:16:48.621
I think I wasn't trying to tell you but I don't like who gets turned on, but I mean, you know, like I had to, I had to do some really and that was the kind of the worst kind of thing but mostly just had to be like shit on by, like some asshole coke head who abuses his family and drives a Corvette no offense dad, so that's a big Corvette guy.

01:16:48.621 --> 01:16:53.240
He's not listening and so the abuse that I had taken them like I would have a lot of big Corvette.

01:16:53.820 --> 01:16:54.822
I don't want to put up with that.

01:16:54.822 --> 01:16:56.963
I don't think anybody should have to put up with that for very long.

01:16:56.963 --> 01:17:02.653
And if you have to put up with that in your business and maybe it's not worth it, so be prepared to quit and to adapt and change directions.

01:17:02.653 --> 01:17:18.490
There's zero shame in that and and you will very well may find that the new, the new ways that you, the new things that you do and the new opportunities that open for you are so much better suited for you than your quote dream ever was.

01:17:19.693 --> 01:17:27.935
But you literally just defined the entire theme of our program no wrong choices aligned with career journeys.

01:17:27.935 --> 01:17:31.712
I mean, that's, that's, this is what we talk about every time, every time out.

01:17:31.712 --> 01:17:33.596
You know that there are no wrong choices.

01:17:33.596 --> 01:17:42.724
You try stuff, you experiment, you see what you like, and if you do something and it goes terribly wrong, no matter what, you'll learn something from that experience that you're going to carry forward.

01:17:43.770 --> 01:17:47.060
I'm trying to think of all my wrong choices to prove it wrong.

01:17:48.631 --> 01:17:49.273
There are no wrong choices.

01:17:51.951 --> 01:18:13.479
It doesn't prove it wrong because the point is the the wrong choices I made, you know, like smoking pot on joe rogan show and getting really paranoid like I smoke pot regularly but not his pot and not on a show and not on the highest profile show I've ever been on and I just kind of humiliated myself and after that I think I still haven't gone back and listened to it.

01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.632
But the truth is it wasn't a wrong choice, it was a right.

01:18:15.632 --> 01:18:22.430
Like I'm glad'm glad that I, that I did that and I learned to not do that, like never go on a high profile.

01:18:22.430 --> 01:18:36.158
You know, I was trying to appease him and be cool and I like with another guy you know, and it's Joe Rogan, you guys smoke pot with Joe Rogan and I did and I was like stone on, I gored and like my mouth right up, I got scared and I would hear my voice and my.

01:18:36.158 --> 01:18:38.020
You know it was just, it wasn't great.

01:18:38.961 --> 01:18:40.362
Not great for podcasting, no.

01:18:41.221 --> 01:18:42.804
But you learned from the experience.

01:18:42.804 --> 01:18:44.085
Without a doubt, I did.

01:18:44.145 --> 01:18:47.527
I did Wrong choices, no wrong choices.

01:18:51.650 --> 01:18:53.390
So, pete, if people want to, they want to check out your, your, your podcast, which is great.

01:18:53.390 --> 01:18:57.641
I listened to the great proofs earlier today, fantastic episode.

01:18:57.641 --> 01:19:01.300
How do people find you and where should people look for you?

01:19:01.609 --> 01:19:02.595
It's a daily podcast.

01:19:02.595 --> 01:19:16.583
Stand up with Pete dot com, but you can find it wherever you get your podcast, just search my name or stand up with Pete Dominick and it drops every night by midnight and, like I said, we got a good stuff segment, then I got news and clips and then I get an interview with a real smart, thoughtful person.

01:19:16.583 --> 01:19:20.720
Proops is actually outside the norm but he's such a smart, thoughtful guy, he's great for the show.

01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:33.181
But I mean, usually I talk to journalists and policy experts and academics and authors and scientists and folks like that, but you know smart people that are good at talking.

01:19:33.181 --> 01:19:44.854
That's important because there's a lot of really, really smart people who are, you know, maybe even great writers, but you get them on a show and you guys all know it's like jesus, boring as hell right.

01:19:45.036 --> 01:19:58.095
Every other word is um, it's just real tough stuff to listen to and you you gotta find the right people and and curate them and even sometimes tell them how to be a little better, like do you realize how often you do that?

01:19:58.997 --> 01:20:18.671
I think, we had gene simmons years ago, who was a disaster, you guys oh my god, years ago he did not want to be there boy nope and he did not let us know, in no small thing worse than a super talented actor in an interview, because the you think of them as a talented actor, because they're doing someone's script.

01:20:18.671 --> 01:20:37.703
Now they are left with their own words and you're like are you they're dull as dirt anything going on at all this year, like anything that's interesting, or do you comfortable at all in this space right now, at talking with people, I can't believe how good looking you are.

01:20:37.724 --> 01:20:42.899
Preach the better looking a person is too, the more likely they are to not have charisma.

01:20:42.899 --> 01:20:43.823
Because why did they need it?

01:20:43.823 --> 01:20:46.516
I said to Anthony Jeselnik I made this joke.

01:20:46.516 --> 01:20:48.100
You know him, very funny comedian.

01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:58.582
He's a real good looking guy and I was one time we were hanging out at a comedy club and I just said to him I was like, and I was one time we were hanging out at a comedy club and I just said to him I was like it doesn't make any sense to me why you're so funny, because you're also so good looking.

01:20:58.582 --> 01:21:01.087
Why, why is?

01:21:01.188 --> 01:21:01.307
that.

01:21:01.409 --> 01:21:05.796
You don't have looking guys also so funny and you just stared at me and he goes.

01:21:05.796 --> 01:21:09.458
Well, I have a similar question for you.

01:21:09.458 --> 01:21:11.213
Why aren't you funnier?

01:21:11.213 --> 01:21:12.979
Oh?

01:21:12.979 --> 01:21:13.180
Geez.

01:21:13.180 --> 01:21:18.278
But yeah, he nailed it, it was so funny.

01:21:18.278 --> 01:21:18.779
He's like that.

01:21:18.779 --> 01:21:20.777
My question is why aren't you funnier?

01:21:20.777 --> 01:21:21.179
Perfect.

01:21:21.630 --> 01:21:22.975
Well, you've proven yourself to us.

01:21:22.975 --> 01:21:24.332
There's no question about that.

01:21:24.332 --> 01:21:26.818
Very funny, very charming Do I?

01:21:26.818 --> 01:21:27.880
Get charismatic.

01:21:28.702 --> 01:21:29.384
You get a prize.

01:21:29.384 --> 01:21:32.997
This is the bit I do on my hangout.

01:21:33.170 --> 01:21:37.274
We do the what do we want and you literally grab whatever is on your desk in front of you.

01:21:37.274 --> 01:21:40.378
So whoever has something for me, larry, what do you have in the space?

01:21:40.378 --> 01:21:41.139
What have I wanted?

01:21:41.139 --> 01:21:41.180
I?

01:21:42.220 --> 01:21:45.283
will send you this mug of coffee.

01:21:45.283 --> 01:21:46.286
You get Scott's tape.

01:21:46.286 --> 01:21:52.497
You get a brand new Yeti mug for joining us Larry is holding up a comb.

01:21:52.618 --> 01:21:53.220
What an insult.

01:21:55.893 --> 01:21:56.293
What am I?

01:21:56.293 --> 01:21:56.434
I?

01:21:56.554 --> 01:21:59.199
once saved the plane from a guy who went crazy.

01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:07.277
It's my greatest story in life Me and a couple other guys saved the plane from a guy who was being violent.

01:22:07.277 --> 01:22:07.618
Yeah, no way.

01:22:07.618 --> 01:22:08.500
Well, you have to tell that.

01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:10.122
I'll tell it if you get time.

01:22:16.551 --> 01:22:20.324
But the airline after thanked me by sending me a hair care gift bag.

01:22:20.324 --> 01:22:20.826
Wow, that's nice.

01:22:20.845 --> 01:22:21.628
I don't have any hair.

01:22:21.628 --> 01:22:23.632
Thank you, yeah, no, I was.

01:22:23.632 --> 01:22:32.478
We were on a plane from italy, sicily, to new york and a guy was mentally ill of some sort and he got up, he started screaming and scared people.

01:22:32.819 --> 01:22:34.731
He's big, you're sure, he just wasn't italian.

01:22:34.731 --> 01:22:36.557
Well, that's supposed to be a joke.

01:22:36.557 --> 01:22:38.753
It could be a joke, because he was the better one is.

01:22:38.774 --> 01:22:43.614
Are you sure he wasn't just Sicilian, because they're where my family is from and so I can make these jokes?

01:22:43.614 --> 01:22:45.600
And he was, he was Sicilian and he was.

01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:51.956
My wife spoke Sicilian to her family and so she I'm like what is that guy doing?

01:22:51.956 --> 01:22:54.480
He's just babbling, not saying anything.

01:22:54.480 --> 01:23:04.957
He was acting out, and this priest, this old man, stood up and tried to calm him down, this elderly priest, and he threw the guy to the ground.

01:23:04.957 --> 01:23:17.841
And so when he did that, me and another hero jumped into action and tackled him and I took my belt off and strapped his ankles to his seat.

01:23:17.841 --> 01:23:26.756
And then a guy came from the back of the plane out of nowhere, pulled out a syringe and pumped it into the guy like a valium, which has got to be highly illegal.

01:23:27.076 --> 01:23:35.541
Yeah, I would think it was like 2005 so like you know yeah it was shortly after 9-11, so nobody was fucking around and nobody cared.

01:23:35.541 --> 01:23:37.512
Like you know, let the guy so, um.

01:23:37.512 --> 01:24:00.692
So then the guy starts like waking up from that and me and another guy basically guarding him and I have my back to him and he reaches up and he grabs the back of my shirt and pulls hard to like pull me down, but because I do a lot of core work, I stayed strong and he just ripped my shirt off.

01:24:00.692 --> 01:24:12.698
So now my shirt is off and I'm fucking ripped and I'm literally living like john mclean, basically john mclean was a bit doughy, though, though.

01:24:14.400 --> 01:24:14.822
That's true.

01:24:14.822 --> 01:24:22.059
I was in better shape than John McClane and so we knocked him back down, restrained him.

01:24:22.059 --> 01:24:28.800
Plane lands, police are there, they take him away and then there I am with my shirt hanging off me and everybody going thank you for saving us.

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:29.041
Sir.

01:24:29.041 --> 01:24:38.356
The dumbest thing was the pilots during the flight invited me and the other guy up to like thank us, and they let us in the cabin.

01:24:38.356 --> 01:24:39.815
I was like are you the dumbest people?

01:24:39.815 --> 01:24:43.686
Why did they open the cabin door?

01:24:43.707 --> 01:24:45.434
I was like what are you doing at that point?

01:24:46.576 --> 01:24:47.679
Well then, I just thought it would be.

01:24:47.679 --> 01:24:48.400
You know, I'm a comedian.

01:24:48.400 --> 01:24:49.122
I thought it'd be too funny.

01:24:49.122 --> 01:24:50.956
I'm like I'm taking all of this pain.

01:24:51.957 --> 01:24:56.400
That that wouldn't have gone over well, no, shirtless and the dumbest.

01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:59.382
The dumbest was the person who decided to give you the hair care product.

01:24:59.423 --> 01:25:02.046
So you know, that's that was not to be fair.

01:25:02.046 --> 01:25:12.055
Whoever sent that out probably didn't know what I look like, but uh, they did send me a, a care package of hair care, and I was just really that's called irony.

01:25:12.896 --> 01:25:14.219
Well, that is what you win today, lar.

01:25:14.219 --> 01:25:19.100
Larry Shea will send you a comb, which seems to be a perfect follow-on to that story.

01:25:19.100 --> 01:25:20.895
Pete, thank you.

01:25:20.895 --> 01:25:23.097
Thank you so much for joining us today.

01:25:24.774 --> 01:25:26.057
Don't forget to send us that link though.

01:25:26.559 --> 01:25:27.280
Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:25:27.280 --> 01:25:29.717
Yeah, absolutely will, absolutely will.

01:25:29.717 --> 01:25:31.595
I'll reply to the email you guys sent.

01:25:31.595 --> 01:25:32.658
I will Thank you very much.

01:25:32.658 --> 01:25:33.581
Thanks for your time, pete.

01:25:38.689 --> 01:25:41.997
So that was Pete Dominick with a remarkable high energy and fascinating story.

01:25:41.997 --> 01:25:44.603
Larry Shea, thank you so much for bringing him to us.

01:25:44.802 --> 01:25:46.453
Yeah, Imagine he does that every single day.

01:25:47.475 --> 01:25:49.261
I've listened to the podcast.

01:25:49.261 --> 01:25:51.172
I don't know how he does that every day.

01:25:51.474 --> 01:26:03.137
Yeah, he's, he's gifted, he's special, you know, and he's a special guy and I was really excited to hear his journey and get to know him a little bit more, because you know we are friends but you know we don't hang out socially and things of that nature.

01:26:03.137 --> 01:26:07.862
So you know I enjoy getting to know more about people, that I enjoy their company.

01:26:07.862 --> 01:26:09.603
You know that I enjoy being around.

01:26:09.603 --> 01:26:11.744
Pete always just had this great vibe about him.

01:26:11.744 --> 01:26:16.091
So I think you feel that and it comes across in this interview vibe about him.

01:26:16.091 --> 01:26:17.895
So I think you feel that and it comes across in this interview.

01:26:17.916 --> 01:26:19.742
I was really struck that that of the support of his family.

01:26:19.742 --> 01:26:20.344
You know it was.

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You know his dad's like do what you want, love for the rest of your life, like, no matter what, don't be an accountant Pretty amazing, the support right that he gets right off the bat, you know, and takes advantage of it, says I'm going to be a professional comedian and they foster that growth, taking them to see George Carlin, things like that.

01:26:37.012 --> 01:26:48.832
And then I'm struck by two other things really in this interview, the first of which is advice I don't think we've ever heard before which is dreams can be adopted to something else.

01:26:48.832 --> 01:26:50.534
Don't follow your dreams.

01:26:50.534 --> 01:26:54.323
Quit, you might not be very good at it.

01:26:54.323 --> 01:27:00.355
I mean, um, quit, you might not be very good at it.

01:27:00.355 --> 01:27:01.219
I mean, it's true, um, and he pivoted.

01:27:01.219 --> 01:27:01.621
Right, it was the.

01:27:01.621 --> 01:27:02.203
He's the king of the pivot.

01:27:02.203 --> 01:27:03.226
Um, if it didn't work over here, be okay with it.

01:27:03.226 --> 01:27:04.872
You know, maybe you'll be way happier over here.

01:27:04.872 --> 01:27:10.310
I thought the way he explained that I had to listen to it like six times because it was so good.

01:27:11.032 --> 01:27:20.685
Um, so listen back like six times, just keep listening, um, and then the second the second thing I was really struck by, which is something we don't talk about very often.

01:27:20.685 --> 01:27:22.810
We've talked about it a little bit in the last couple episodes.

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That's getting fired right Like what a big deal that is, what an ego blow that is, and I just thought his attitude and his optimism and his stick-to-itiveness it's endearing and it's contagious.

01:27:37.440 --> 01:27:43.440
Yeah, so listen back to that stuff because Pete really speaks to the truth on all of it.

01:27:43.730 --> 01:27:54.779
And the one thing I really took away from this discussion with Pete was he's a hard worker, he's not a grinder, he just respects the work and gets it done.

01:27:54.779 --> 01:27:56.355
And he did it the right way.

01:27:56.355 --> 01:28:01.681
He really did work his way up from the bottom to the top to where he is now and it's amazing.

01:28:01.681 --> 01:28:03.533
You know all those years on the road.

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You know being away from family, you know almost being away from the birth, from being the being away from the birth of his kid.

01:28:08.756 --> 01:28:13.134
I mean, you know that takes, that's like that's real dedication.

01:28:13.134 --> 01:28:31.020
But the one thing you could see that it also did was that it kind of hardened him or or it shielded him from being, let's say, overwhelmed by people in power, right, so like when you know guys are giving him notes on how to do x, y and z, he's like you know whatever I, you hired me to do this, this is what I'm going to do, deal with it.

01:28:31.020 --> 01:28:35.979
And you know it takes a lot of courage to kind of tell your boss at times screw, screw off.

01:28:36.019 --> 01:28:43.922
It ain't easy to do that Right but you know, but by doing that he has been able to forge a path forward.

01:28:43.922 --> 01:28:45.255
That's really really unique.

01:28:45.255 --> 01:28:51.376
And look, I hope I gave him an idea about being a bro podcast for the left, I mean, who knows?

01:28:51.376 --> 01:29:05.180
But he is one of those guys who, if he was going to make a quote, unquote, pivot in his show, that would be an area you could pivot to because, he is right, we don't have enough of those guys politically on the left who want to.

01:29:05.201 --> 01:29:09.992
You know, I guess you know, speak in a bro type of culture, as we've seen.

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Like you know, as we've seen on the opposite side, with guys like Joe Rogan and others who have done that, on the opposite side, with guys like like joe rogan and others who have done that.

01:29:17.618 --> 01:29:20.913
Um, but he's probably one of those few voices out there who could probably like, really really bring others into the fold.

01:29:20.913 --> 01:29:27.737
He's super intelligent, really, really cool guy, and the one thing I love about the one thing I love about him is that he just treats everybody equally.

01:29:27.737 --> 01:29:31.135
That's that's one of the things he's genuine so genuine.

01:29:31.275 --> 01:29:32.779
He's so down to earth.

01:29:32.779 --> 01:29:34.063
That's really the best.

01:29:34.063 --> 01:29:38.177
That's where the the biggest thing I took away from our conversation yeah, that's.

01:29:38.238 --> 01:29:39.845
That's very interesting, I think.

01:29:39.845 --> 01:29:53.012
You know, one of the things that that really caught me was you know, if you want something bad enough, and if you have enough talent to work with and you're patient and you're willing to do whatever it takes, you can achieve great things.

01:29:53.012 --> 01:30:04.130
I mean, the fact that pete was willing to hang in there as long as he did to finally get to the point where he was making a good living is pretty remarkable.

01:30:04.130 --> 01:30:13.198
You know, I look at the time that I was at Sirius and things are going OK and new projects are getting thrown at me all the time, et cetera, et cetera.

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And I had a chance.

01:30:14.350 --> 01:30:16.514
I don't know where it was going to go, but I had a chance.

01:30:16.514 --> 01:30:18.176
I made a choice.

01:30:18.176 --> 01:30:33.555
I made a choice to walk away because I didn't want to go through that struggle any longer, and Pete stayed, he pushed through and he did it, which is just truly remarkable and incredibly impressive.

01:30:33.555 --> 01:30:35.118
So I want to call that out.

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And the last thing I'm always impressed by his depth of knowledge on so many different subjects.

01:30:42.086 --> 01:30:54.842
I don't know how he prepares for his show and how he becomes so enlightened on so many different subjects, but he's a smart guy who knows his stuff, which is really really very impressive.

01:30:55.010 --> 01:30:59.270
I'll say this is that you know he gets to get a lot of knowledge because he said it himself.

01:30:59.270 --> 01:31:03.453
I don't know everything, but I like to speak to people who know a lot and then you get educated.

01:31:03.453 --> 01:31:06.041
That way that's pretty impressive Yep.

01:31:06.871 --> 01:31:08.435
So with that, you know Pete.

01:31:08.435 --> 01:31:12.112
Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of no Wrong Choices.

01:31:12.112 --> 01:31:23.251
For everybody out there who wants to get to know Pete better, his website standupwithpetecom and his podcast is called Stand Up, pete.

01:31:23.251 --> 01:31:24.877
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01:31:24.877 --> 01:31:32.796
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