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What does it take to break through as a comedian and then pivot into a provocative voice in media and politics?
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We'll explore the answer to that question, and beyond, during this episode of the Career Journey podcast no Wrong Choices.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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I'm Larry Samuel, soon to be joined by my collaborators Larry Shea and Tushar Saxena, but before we kick off, I have a request.
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Now let's get started.
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This episode features the podcaster, comedian speaker and news commentator, pete Dominick, who, among many other things, is the host and creator of the podcast Stand Up.
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Larry Shea is a former colleague of Pete's at SiriusXM.
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You are certainly the right person to set up this conversation this time around, so please lead us in.
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
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I got to know Pete over at Sirius XM.
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He had a great show over there.
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I used to listen to it.
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It was great, it was funny, it was interesting, it was smart, and that's kind of what I always thought about Pete too.
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You know I always used to enjoy bumping into him.
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We'd always have great conversations.
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I knew he was very talented and very good at what he does, but honestly, I don't know his whole story.
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So I'm excited to explore his journey and kind of hear it for the first time, like the rest of us, right.
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So I'm really excited to share Pete Dominick with everybody, because this is a guy you probably have seen on your TV, you know, on Bill Maher or on, you know, cnn or one of these other places.
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You know he's.
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He's a funny talking head and a really cool dude and a smart guy.
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So here we go uh, I'm kind of like you, shay, is that?
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Uh, you know we are both former, uh we I am a former serious employee, unlike yourself.
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You're still there, um but I ran into pete uh basically near the tail end of when I was at serious.
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But I remember pete being a worker, that's what I really remember.
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He was a hard worker and he was there like in the in the real heyday, uh, the first few years of the of the comedy channels, and he was setting things up and getting and, you know, putting shows together.
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But when you get, one thing you could always tell about Pete was that he was a hard worker.
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He understood how, what it took to put a good show together and he really kind of was able to couple that into what he's doing today.
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And you know he's he's always been one of these couple that into what he's doing today and you know he's he's always been one of these guys that I've kind of admired from afar, because I've never really can know, I've really never really had a chance to get to know him all that well.
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But I'll tell you what now we got a chance to know him a little bit better.
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Absolutely.
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And you know, I love your comment about learning how to put shows together, because he's put together a very good one called Stand Up.
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So with that, that, here is Pete Dominick, Pete, thank you so much for joining us
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gentlemen, a real honor to be here.
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I really, I really mean that I'm very much been looking forward to this and I'm excited to talk to all of you and larry and I go back and, uh, always had a thing, just like a.
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You're one of the good ones, yeah okay, great hallway conversations is what we're that's basically how we put it too.
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Yeah, he's one of the good ones, yeah sure there's a general.
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You know there's a when you work in and when you're in a workplace and you don't necessarily work directly with someone the way larry and I didn't know, you know we didn't work directly with each other but we we, you, you have a feeling for people and you build a certain kind of trust and that's important.
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You need that at work and you know, I think, think Larry and I always had kind of a.
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You know we're on the same level, on the same plane, and had a Definitely.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how to explain it.
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I think Larry knows, and that's all that's matter.
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It's symbiotic relationship, no doubt yeah.
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And we certainly feel similarly, which is why 20 years later, we're all doing a podcast together, so you have very good instincts, love it.
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So, leading in, we always like to ask our guests to introduce themselves.
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I can run through an opening and I can put together a list of things to describe you, but nobody can describe you better than you.
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So, pete, try to just give us a feel for who you are and what you do.
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Well, I grew up in upstate New york.
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In the 80s 90s.
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When I was 14 years old, my dad said to me son, just whatever you do for work, whatever you do, just just find something that you enjoy, because you know I uh, I make good money on my own boss, but this this is selling insurance is not something I love.
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I want you and your brother to do something that you really like.
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And I was like, like, all right, well, the only thing I really like doing and the only thing I feel like I'm any good at is making people laugh, because I was a class clown, never missed a day of school because it was an audience and I was good.
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Even the teachers liked me.
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And I said, well, can I do comedy for like a living?
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He's like, yeah sure.
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He's like, yeah, sure.
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And then he immediately supported that dream.
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He brought me to the Civic Center to see George Carlin.
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Wow, he brought me to a local comedy to meet a comedian who one day I later became friends with.
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And from that point on I was 14 years old.
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I decided I wanted to be a stand-up comedian and I went to college for two years, left college, moved to New York City, started pursuing my career in stand-up.
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It, it's it.
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It's hard, it was slow like it is for pretty much everybody but john mulaney and son of a bitch rich georgetown and was amazing right away.
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I hate people like that and can't knock him, but I made it.
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I made it.
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I made it as this comedian in the hardest place to make it in New York City.
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I was working at every comedy club.
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I was passed at every comedy club.
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Everybody knew me.
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I knew everybody and I got hired at Sirius on the comedy channels as a result of kind of my network and my ability to host a show.
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I was, I was an emcee and that's what I got known for.
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I should say I wasn't some prolific writer, you know, a Jim Gaffigan or a Todd Berry or any number of these amazing, hilarious comedians, ted Alexandro, but I I was a good MC.
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It was good in the moment I got work as I got hired as a audience warmup comedian for by Jon Stewart at the daily show and then I got the job at the coldbert Report when that show started and then I got now I'm still doing that gig at Last Week Tonight with Jon Oliver on HBO and between that and Sirius I was making great money, loving what I was doing and it just blew up from there.
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Because that's when I found out and after about two years, on the comedy channels at SiriusXM I heard they were launching an independent political channel and I was like that's where I want to be.
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I want to host a show on that, like some free thinking, independent, nonpartisan.
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Just let's talk to smart people and have smart conversations, right, and you know they're looking for the left's.
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Joe Rogan now it's me.
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It was me then, it's me been.
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It's been me then since he was a guest on my show.
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I've been a guest on his show, but the bottom line is, you know, joe show is having thoughtful conversations with smart people.
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It's now entered into the absurd, in my opinion, a lot of conspiracy theories, but it wasn't always that way and so I did that.
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But my idea was that and serious, I basically auditioned, I pitched a show and they hired me from one hour every day hosting a live show getting paid $75 a day.
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I remember those days.
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I have memories of those days myself, cause I was.
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It was a daily gig on live radio, uh, on satellite radio, and I got to interview every comedian.
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I already knew most guys, at least if they were New Yorkers I knew, knew them all but I didn't know a lot of the guys that were touring, or a lot of the LA guys or or even the British international comics.
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I got to meet everybody.
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I get to interview every single comedian, not because of me, because of the platform, right, like I was the host, like the local radio host gets to meet everybody.
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So I was in the building and I'm a really persistent, determined guy.
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I went up and I pitched the show and I went from $75 a day to $60,000 a year, full salary benefits, 60,000 was an insult.
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I knew what guys doing three hours of radio got right.
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It was 300, not 60.
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But for me, a comedian who now had one child I mean health care was dealing in a matter of 401k when do sign, and that just turned into CNN and it turned into, you know, I was there for 12 years and it was.
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I fulfilled all my dreams by the age of 42.
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Everything I ever wanted to do.
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I did it all in comedy and in political media, and that's, that's my intro, that's awesome and, of course, our paths crossed at Sirius.
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That's when we would have our amazing hallway conversations and admiration from afar, so to speak.
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So let's start digging into exactly how you built this.
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We're going to start from the beginning.
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You already said you grew up in Syracuse and you were the class clown.
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I mean, I always ask comedians that right Like were you always confident in the class clown and I read that you also, like read the morning announcements on the loudspeaker and things of that nature.
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Right MC talent shows.
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We used to make up in the morning announcements.
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We would make up things that were happening after school.
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Today, after school at 3.30, there's a basket weaving club.
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That's when I learned the power of the microphone.
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But yeah, I was involved in everything in high school and everything and I played varsity lacrosse and soccer.
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I'd go from lacrosse practice where I didn't play.
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I didn't get off the bench and work that out in therapy years later.
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I would go from the cross practice to play rehearsal and morning announcements.
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And yeah, my first comedy I ever did was at the talent show.
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I was like, well, I want to be in the talent show because I want to be in front of an audience and I didn't have like a stand up routine but I did my impression of Dana Carvey's impressions of George W Bush, ross Perot and Bill Clinton and I killed and that was that.
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Because you know, it was a small high school, small town, 500 kids in total, high school, but every one of them was in the theater laughing at me and that was all it took.
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Still could not get laid, but that's it.
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I was so little.
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I was so little.
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The girl loved me.
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I was good friends with girls, I was the safe one, um, but they dated all my friends and that's because the reason I was a comedian and the reason I didn't end up, I think, getting you know girls.
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It wasn't, I was tiny.
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I was a littlest guy in high school.
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Even when my I was a senior, I was one of the smallest kids and that was why I used and found humor.
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It's the reason my dad did too.
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My dad is hilarious and I realized that when I was very young I was like five or six years old.
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I realized that I could.
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When kids made fun of me for being small, I could come back with a quick-witted comment If it was good enough they wouldn't make fun of me again.
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Sometimes they'd punch me, so I got hit a few times, but more likely the big kid became my friend and I became that cartoon puppy you know, like the little puppy next to the giant pup.
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They wanted a mouthpiece, probably Right, yep.
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So you said your father took you to see Carlin when you were young, so who were some of your comedy heroes or influences?
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Well, certainly Carlin.
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Carlin was like what you know.
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I went to Catholic church growing up but my dad clearly never believed that my mom wasn't Catholic, but kind of did it because they were Italian and for my grandmother, kind of thing.
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But I found George Carlin like audio tapes, like in my dad's dresser near the Playboys.
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I found George Carlin like audio tapes, like in my dad's dresser near the Playboys, and I listened to them like they were like I was looking at Playboys, Like it was forbidden, you know, and what he was saying about religion was like yeah, of course, of course.
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Like thank you for voicing what I always thought growing up in this church.
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And that was the beginning of it.
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But you know, I I loved so many other kinds of comedians in different styles and Dana Carvey and Robin Williams were huge influences on me, because Robin could make something out of nothing any moment.
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And Dana, I loved his impressions and that was something I was was pretty good at.
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I was good at doing his impressions.
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Yeah, I was the best impressionist in my high school.
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I wasn't the funniest kid.
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A lot of my friends were funnier than I was, that's for sure, but that's who I chose to hang out with the funniest kids.
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You know you gravitate towards people with humor and or similar humor or new humor.
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That's when I went to college I hung out with all black guys because black humor was something I was completely unfamiliar with and it was amazing, amazing what happened there with them, that culturally it was just like you either live or die and I wanted to live and they taught me so much.
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So I think, more than anything else, like that experience in high school with my friends my brother is hilarious and people that you've never heard of.
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That really impressed upon me different kinds of humor like I learned all of them by the time I was, you know, in my early 20s.
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I could see anybody's humor coming, all the styles, and I could sell it too, which made me marketable as a comedian.
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Put me in front of any audience black people, old people, young people, college kids, put me anywhere anytime, did you?
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collect comedy albums like you would rock and roll album, because I mean, when I was growing up obviously I have a whole bunch of music albums, but I also had like a good collection, like I had Eddie Murphy, raw, I had Robin Williams, I had so, to be fair, there's nothing nerdy about me, like there's nothing Like I never collected like music albums or comedy albums or sports things.
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Like I am not, I was never that guy.
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I can't quote things, like I didn't study them for hours or listen for hours.
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I just uh, it was a butterfly and I just whatever was new, whatever people would put in front of me I was a little lazy and trying to to find new things.
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I just kind of was like, whatever my brother served me up, I kind of ate up.
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I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that, like I said, yes, a lot of most people are connoisseurs of any genre of art.
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Yeah, they do that.
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That's what I'm asking.
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They own all the album and and they study them and they think about them and I just I don't know.
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I think I couldn't stay focused long enough or something, or didn't have an appreciation enough for it.
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Music is my cultural blind spot, like I can talk about all the arts and almost any other issue, but I'll never engage with someone about music.
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I'll listen to them, but I have nothing to offer you, Nothing.
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It can make you dumber.
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When did you start to play out?
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You're doing your high schools, you're doing your talent shows, et cetera, et cetera.
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But eventually you took that leap and came up with the courage and the balls to go for it.
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Tell us about that first experience.
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I think the courage and the balls was to move to New York City and to go.
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I'm going to just walk into a comedy club and become a comedian, because I did the talent shows in high school and then I did talent shows in college, like two or three, and I did like an open mic in college as well.
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So maybe I was on maybe six times on stage doing kind of stand-up, uh.
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And then I moved to new york city to go to acting school.
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Ostensibly I never really wanted to be an actor, but I was like I should get in it, I should continue my education, um, and that was stupid.
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I don't think people should study acting or not they shouldn't pay money for it, and so I went, I walked into a comedy club, I walked into stand-up New York on July 5th 1995.
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And how did that?
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Wow, yeah, like what, what was?
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that?
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What did you prepare?
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Nerves, anxiety, anything, oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I'm going to do it again and again and again.
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I wanted it more than I know anybody wants anything.
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You know you hear these biopics usually of athletes because those are easy to kind of narrate, because you just see this kid out running every day out shooting every day baskets or whatever it is.
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But but I I didn't drink, I didn't really chase girls.
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I mean I did, I just wasn't really I didn't do well.
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So I just was like friends with people.
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I loved everybody.
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It just wasn't a primary pursuit of mine, as it was most of my young male friends.
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Don't get me wrong.
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But I mean I didn't have a drink till I was 22.
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My brother was in rehab and I was like 14.
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So that like was really impressed upon me.
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But I didn't drink because I thought anything and any distraction women and drinking and drugs would take away from my laser focus on being successful as a comedian.
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And it was my understanding that the only way to be successful as a comedian, at least for me, was to work really hard.
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I always work really hard to be good at anything and practice and do it again and again.
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And when you start out in in comedy, still, but especially then the only way to get on stage was to bring your friends to see you and then they put you on stage.
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They made money and it's a really insidious practice, nothing you can really do about it.
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But it means you have to keep getting new people to come see you, and I mean you literally.
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Your friends stop returning your messages because they don't want to see you Like I saw you.
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It's expensive.
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I supported you.
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I came to your show.
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I came twice.
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You did the same exact material.
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Not only am I not coming again, I'm not taking your calls anymore, because I'm afraid of your show and I don't want to.
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I don't want to.
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I like you, but I don't want to do that anymore.
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No offense, why don't you come to my show?
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Well, because you don't have a show.
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Yeah, but uh, the I.
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I outsmarted that process by getting a job at the front desk of a gym, a high-end gym in the Upper West side of New York, equinox it's first started and what I did was I made new friends every day and I made people laugh at the front desk and when I got comfortable with them after the third or fourth time, talking to them, I'd say come see a show.
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So I would.
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I basically had this whole like farm team of audience members that liked me so much and they were wealthy because they lived in that neighborhood aid for the per I.
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So I just kept bringing, generating money and audience for that one comedy club and I did it as well at other comedy clubs that did all those bringer shows.
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But then you know, at a certain point you get good and I got so good that they just put me on, especially in that MC role, like nobody could open a show and get the audience comfortable and happy and then bring it back if need be or just know to bring the next person up.
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And that became what I was known for in the in the late 90s and early aughts in 2001, september 2001, just before 9-11.
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And early aughts in 2001, september 2001, just before 9-11.
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I got this great gig where, because of giuliani at the time, the mayor's new law to crack down on porn and strip clubs, you had to take your strip club in this case and make like 60 of it had to be any other business and only 40 of it of the physical space could be the strip club.
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So they literally strip clubs were perfect for to do comedy on the stage.
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The seating, the thrust stage is great for comedy.
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Yeah, and it's a little high, but still it was fine.
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So they literally guys built a curtain down the middle of the strip club and made it a comedy club, hired me to be the house mc, paid me because they had money, because the strip club had tons of money.
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More, they paid me like 200 bucks a show.
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Reels paid 75 or 100 and I got I got that gig.
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I was the gonna be the house mc for this new comedy club.
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200 bucks the show, three, four shows a week, maybe more.
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Wow, because they could, they just had to.
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And then terrorists attacked 9-11, uh, new y City and comedy broke down for a while.
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But we bounced back and I did get that job eventually and then it was just for me.
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It just kept getting better.
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I got a college agent.
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I made really good money touring the country.
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I performed at almost every state in the country and over 400 colleges and universities at almost every state in the country and over 400 colleges and universities and never assaulted one student.
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Right yeah.
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And you just talked about that laser focus.
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You know you could really tell.
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Before we get into your incredible successes, though, I have to ask I mean, what is it like to stand on that stage and know that you're bombing, like just no trap door, no way out?
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What does that feel like?
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What do you do?
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How do you experience that?
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Because every great, great comedian who's going to listen to this podcast and want to follow in your, in your shoes, they're going to bomb and they have to live with it, right?